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1 Teaching English in Hungary? (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)
2 HELP: I m looking for christmas greetings in foreign la (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
3 Cseke Szatmar (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: An answer to Mr. Bela Liptak commentary (mind)  68 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Teaching English in Hungary? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hello!
I am a Canadian from Vancouver, Canada, currently teaching English as
a second language in Korea.  I am interested in teaching English in
Hungary in the future and would appreciate and information or job
leads that could be provided.
Thank You,
Desiree Bukowski
+ - HELP: I m looking for christmas greetings in foreign la (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hello everybody,

I live in the Netherlands and I'm looking for christmas greetings in many 
foreign languages, for example:
Merry christmas and a happy new year (English)
Prettige kerstdagen en een gelukkig nieuwjaar (Dutch)

Who can help me to find more international christmas greetings?
If so, mail to: 

--
Thanks!

Greetings,
                
+ - Cseke Szatmar (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I wish to contact someone in Cseke Szatmar for some help in completing my 
genealogy by locating a family member.  My grandfather, grandmother, and two 
aunts left in 1906 for USA and left family behind.  please contact me at 
.  thanks
+ - Re: An answer to Mr. Bela Liptak commentary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

This commentary is a prime example of how history can be used for
insidious political purposes.  Sadly, this comes from a professor:

>And, of course, the system of the Versailles treaties (1919-1920) marked the d
ismembering of the Austrian-Hungarian monarchy, and not of the Kingdom of Hunga
ry, a part of the late multinational Empire.<

>In conclusion, the Trianon Treaty was not imposed by any violence.  The War wa
s violent and brutal.  But the peace was established by negotiations, where all
 delegations, including the Hungarian one, gave their opinion. We repeat, Mr. L
iptak Bela, the kingdom of Hungary was dismembered in 1526 and Czechoslovakia, 
Yugoslavia and Romania are successor States of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, j
ust as Hungary and Austria are.<

The truth will prevail, Mr. Roman.  To claim that Trianon did not
dismember Hungary is ludicrous!  Quite funny actually if only it didn't
adversely affect the lives of so many.  With the advent of
Austro-Hungarian Empire, Hungary's borders did not change.  Trianon not
only broke off pieces of Austria's empire, it also broke apart one of
its constituent parts, Hungary.  No honorable and subjective analyst
could call Trianon fair or based on self-determination.  Where were the
plebiscites? How is giving ALL of Northern Hungary with equal parts of
Hungarians and Slovaks to the Slovaks fair?  US boundary recommendations
understood this and the US did not sign the treaty.  Was the Hungarian
"opinion" worth anything when French and Romanian troops stood ready for
continued war?  It was clear: sign it or else.  Or maybe we should have
given everyone more and totally abolish Hungary.  Perhaps the true
border of Romania really is the River Tisza, and Slovakia should have
access to the Adriatic.  The Treaty of Trianon was not based on National
self-determination.  It really sounds good, though!  I am sure it makes
one's guilt subside a bit.  The Turks didn't "abolish Hungary." A part
of it was occupied.  Maybe you forget that Transylvania is Hungarian,
and that Pozsony, the interim Capitol of Hungary was in Northern Hungary
- it wasn't Slovakia yet.  Pozsony is in the West, Transylvania in the
East, and Turkish forces occupying the center.  That sounds like three
parts to me.  Mr. Liptak is correct again.  It's always interesting to
me to read analyses based on 700, 800, 900 AD.  Yes, you are right,
Europe was, and is, a complex ethnic mix. A thousand years ago, however,
European nations were still in the process of development.  The
incipient states you mentioned failed.  And so what?  Who cares?  We can
go back tens of thousands of years and argue who should claim the land. 
Perhaps the Neanderthal?  So whether we discuss Dacia or Pannonia it
doesn't matter.  Rome fell, remember?  It is of little consequence.  The
Carpathian basin was not developed. Liptak Bela is correct.  The point
is it was the Hungarians that established the first modern nation in
this area. It was the Hungarians that established religious freedom in
the 13th century and allowed different ethnic groups to flourish within
their territory.  It is clear the Magyars were not as barbaric as some
feared in the 9th century.  They even changed the method of nation
building which perviously meant attack, kill all inhabitants, and
occupy. Ethnic groups in Hungary and the Hungarian community flourished
together and it wasn't until outside interests (first Austrian and then
French) stirred up ethnic animosity.  Unfortunately for the Hungarians,
the tolerance and freedom enjoyed by all in the Kingdom led to its
eventual downfall.  It's only fitting that many in Hungary and outside
are finally discussing this previously taboo topic in the "Fraternal
Brotherhood of Socialist Nations" in more numbers.  It needs to be
discussed.  The truth is already coming out, and that surely makes you
nervous. So you just continue to teach revised History - it will only
come back to haunt you. 

Trianon was unjust and the injustices continue...
"Without justice, there can be no peace,"  Martin Luther King, Jr., US
Civil Rights hero.

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