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2 Kereses a CRISES Projectbe (mind)  68 sor     (cikkei)
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+ - EMIL 1.62: Zold Pok Halozat GAJA Kornyezetvedo Egyesule (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Subject: Kincsesbanyai karsztviz megmentese
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A Fejer Megyei, Mor es Szekesfehervar kozott fekv? Kincsesbanyan a
bauxitbanya ez ev augusztusi bezarasa utan kivalo lehetoseg adodik a
banyaszat soran ott feltart hatalmas tisztavizu
- elemiszeripari vagy uditoital gyartasra is kivalo minosegu Rakhegy II
legaknai hidegvizu (a terseg es Szfvar ivovizellatasat biztosito) karszt
ivovizbazis, max. 30 kobmeter/perc fakasztassal
- es a 24-tol 38 C fokos melegvizet a kivant hofokon es mennyisegben (max.
5-
6 kobmeter/percig), 150-160 meteres kulszini furolyukkal elerheto
hevizbazisok kialakitasara - a vizet a vizszintfelengedes utan csak 40-50
meter melysegbol kellene kiemelni.
Az itt feltart nagy hevizkincs csak most a banyaszat befejezodese utan
valhatna igazan kozkinccse, amikor azt tobbe mar nem banyaviztelenitest
szolgalo banyaviz lenne. A kemeny dolomit kozetben fekvo tiszta vizfakaszto
vizbazisokat (az ott bevalt) vasbetongatas (vizgatas) levalasztassal
kellene
elkuloniteni az elszennyezodott banya- illetve omlasztasi tersegektol.
A Bauxitbanya Kft es a DRV Kft pillanatnyi anyagi szempontokra hivatkozva
sajnos vizgatas levalasztasok nelkul tervezi a banyafelhagyast, illetve a
vizszintfelengedest. A felhagyott banyatersegekben osszekeveredo es
elszennyezodo karsztvizet emelnek ki, azt koltseges tisztitasi eljarassal
teve ihatova. Raadasul igy a karszt- hevizkincs is veglegesen elveszne.
  A kerdeskorrel mar 15 eve foglalkozom, es ez ev elejen a
gyakorlati megvalositast is tartalmazo a reszletes tanulmanytervet
keszitettem.
 A szukseges 19 darab vizgat beepitesi es jarulekos osszkoltsege max. 80-
 100 millio forintot tenne ki, ami a varhato jovobeli eredmenyt tekintve
nem
 nagy osszeg.
    Kincsesbanya a kulonleges banyaszati hidrogeologiai adottsagok altal
igy
egy europai viszonylatban is egyedulallo karsztvizbazissa valhatna.
    Ehhez kerunk szakmai, tudomanyos tamogatast es ebben az uzleti
lehetoseget is meglato vallakozok, vallalatok jelentkezeset.
Mivel a helyi hatalmi tenyezok altal .... az ontorvenyi folyamatok jelenleg
is folynak, es a banyabezaras a Banya Kft altal tervezett modon,
jovatehetetlen vizugyi kovetkezmenyekkel fog megtortenni, surgos
tamogatasra
lenne szukseg.
               Joszerencset!        Novak Sandor
                                   nyugdijas banyamernok
Kapcsolat felveheto:  drotpostan
+ - Kereses a CRISES Projectbe (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Szervusztok Kornyeszes levelezok!
Az alabbi kerdessel es felhivassal fordulok hozzatok.
Elokeszuletben van egy tervezet, amelynek a celja a rendkivuli
katasztrofahelyzetek elorejelzese, es utolagos elemzese. A tervezet
non-profit jellegu. Tamogatokat az elkeszult ajanlas utan szeretnek
keresni,
de ehhez segitseg is kell.
Mirol lenne szo?
Szeretnek letrehozni egy olyan csapatot, akik megfelelo informaciok
segitsegevel rendkivuli helyzetek valamint katasztrofa es/vagy
krizishelyzetek kialakulasat elemzoi szinten elore jeleznenek megfelelo
kormany es rendvedelmi szervetek, valamint erintett teruletek lakoi
szamara.
A kialakult helyzetekben tanacsadoi hatterrel latnak el a hivatalokat, az
esemeny elharitasaval foglalkozo szervezeteket. Az elharitas utan pedig
elemzessel szolgalnanak, hogy a kovetkezo szituacio mersekelheto vagy
elharithato lehessen. Tamogatoi hatter eseten, egy 24 oras kozpont
felallitasa lenne a cel, a folyamatos felugyelet ellatasa erdekeben. Tudom,
rengeteg szervezetnel mar van hasonlo, mi ujj lenne ebben.
Olyan szakertoi hatter osszeallitasa, amely az alabbiakban felsorolt (es
nem
felsorolt) teruletek lefedette valjanak.
- geologiai,
- biologiai,
- vegyi,
- radiologiai,
- meteorologiai,
- vizugyi,
- ANTSZ,
- orvosi (altalanos)
- technikai teruletek,
- informatikai hatterek,
- kozlekedes,
- kozmuvek,
- legikozlekedes,
- polgari vedelem,
- politologiai.
Mire lenne ez jo?
Az elmult egy-ket evben bebizonyosodott, hogy pl. az arvizek eseten
kulonbozo szolgalatok KULON-KULON tudtak arrol, hogy valami baj lehet, de
az
esemeny bekovetkeztere nem voltak EGYUTT felkeszulve. Pelda meg erre
Hollohaza, ahol a foldcsuszamlas folyamatosan zajlik, de elorejelzessel,
hatastanulmannyal meg nem jelenzkezett senki.
Problema lehet meg vegyi uzemek, ahol egy kritikus helyzetben egy altalanos
es GYORS hatastanulmany kellene, hogy a kritikus allapot eszkalalodhat-e,
milyen modon s mikent lehetne vedekezni a karos kovetkezmenyek ellen.
Hoingadozas esetet sem lehet figyelmen kivul hagyni. Elorejelzes kellene
peldaul, milyen hatassal lehet a tarsadalmi es szocialis allapotokra.
Mezogazdasagi karok jelenkezhetnek-e, a lakossag egezseget veszelyezteti-e,
kozmuvek osszeomlasat okozhatja-e a hohullam. Itt fontos lehet meg az
elemzes olyan szinten is, jelentkezhet-e olyan meteorologiai esemeny amely
orszagunkban ismeretlen, az okologiao folyamatokat befolyasolhatja-e,
milyen
anyagi karok jelentkezhetnek.
Tehat varnam olyanok jelentkezeset, akiket erdekelne a fenti tema
kidolgozasa, es reszvetel a tervezetben. Segitseg kellene a reszletes
kidolgozasban, majd a tervezet eljuttatasa olyan szervezeteknek, akik
tamogatni tudnak a projectet.
Az elorejelzes a kulcsa a fenti tervezetnek. Vedekezni kell magunk es
kornyezetunk karos hatasai ellen. DE MOST OSSZEVONTAN, EGYMAS TERULETET
FIGYELEMBE VEVE....
?dv?zlettel: Boszormenyi Zsolt
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
E-Mail:  
              
Web:    http://www.extra.hu/crises
Budapest, Hungary
+ - uran szemcse (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Szoval egy 5 mikron meretu U238 szemcse aktivitasa olyan kicsi, hogy
radioaktiv hatasa miatt nemigen fogok megbetegedni (egy ilyen szemcseben
evente 1-2 bomlas tortenik). De mint mar tobbszor volt rola szo, az
uran nehezfemkent mergezo, leginkabb a veset karositja (mert a szervezet
azon keresztul probalja kivalasztani).
Az iment hallottam a radioban egy katonai szakertotol, hogy U238-at
panceltoro lovedekek KOPENYeben nemigen hasznaltak (erre vonatkozoan
nem talalt adatokat a szakirodalomban). Annyit mondott, hogy a kopenyt
lagy anyagbol kell kesziteni, hogy a pancel feluleten kvazi elkenodjon
ill megtapadjon, a nehez es kemeny mag onmagaban konnyen lepattanna
a pancelzatrol.
Laci
+ - meadows-rovat (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

THE FOREST IS MORE THAN A COLLECTION OF TREES
     About 40 years ago a young Dartmouth biology professor named Herb
Bormann took a tomato plant, gently pulled its roots apart into two bunches
and
planted it in two pots, one clump of roots in each pot.  He watered both
pots
until the plant got established.  Then he watered only one pot.  The tomato
did
fine.
     Then he repeated the experiment many times with the addition of a
second plant rooted only in the unwatered pot.  Some of those second plants
also did fine.  Others wilted, but more slowly than did control plants in
unwatered pots without a "donor."  Later experiments showed that one plant
could pass not only water but also radioisotopes to another.
     Bormann began digging around in a white pine forest near the Dartmouth
campus and injecting tree roots with dyes, herbicides and radioactive
tracers.
He found that the trees not only passed these markers around, but that
their
roots had actually grown together into complex networks of "grafts."
Through
the grafts large trees tended to pass nutrients to smaller, weaker trees.
They
even kept alive stumps, which went on growing, sometimes for decades,
though
they never regenerated branches or leaves.
     Bormann later wrote: "This research indicated that the role of ...
competition in determining which trees in a ... stand will survive was
overrated.  In many stands, many trees are linked into organic unions....
Participants in the union have lost at least part of their individuality
and
are subject to the ... influence of their grafted companions."
     Even when Bormann did this research, the knowledge that trees
interconnect below ground was not new.  One of his teachers had told him
how
oak trees transmit diseases through root grafts.  As long ago as the 1920s
root
grafts had been observed in white pine, Douglas fir, and balsam fir
forests,
as
had the phenomenon of "living stumps."
     By 1966 Bormann and his colleague B.F. Graham could write a review
article listing more than 180 scientific articles on the passage of
materials
between the roots of at least 150 species of trees, including oak, maple,
linden, spruce, ash, larch, birch, fir, pine.  There are root grafts
between
different species -- maple and birch, birch and elm, and sandalwood and the
tropical tree Eugenia.  (The grafts reportedly give the Eugenia the scent
of
sandalwood.)
     Sometimes the transfers occur through root grafts.  Sometimes they
just
pass through the soil, as with Bormann's tomatoes.  Sometimes there are
inter-tree carriers, mats of cooperating fungi called mycorrhizae
(pronounced
mike-o-rye-zee), which intermingle with tree roots, subsist on sugars
produced
by the tree leaves, and in return mobilize nutrients from the soil.  The
most
common traffic is in sugars, growth hormones, herbicides, and disease
organisms.  Less common are transfers of water (in large amounts) or
mineral
nutrients.
     This underground tree trade is apparently well known to biologists,
but
they haven't made a big deal of it.  I have taken many biology courses, but
I
was surprised when forest ecologist Scot Zens mentioned root grafts in a
conversation a few months ago, as if I knew about them.  I didn't.  The
very
idea stopped me in my tracks.  It changed my whole view of what a forest
is.
What?  The roots grow together?  The trees pass stuff around?  What does
that
MEAN?
     What does it mean to forest management, to selective harvesting, to
clear-cutting?  What does it mean when acid rain falls, when drought comes,
when herbicide is sprayed, when we try to fight off tree diseases?  What
does
it mean to our cultural notion that the world runs on competition, not
cooperation?  Are we biased toward seeing only collections of individuals
rather than interconnected systems?  Have we literally been failing to see
the
forest for the trees?
     The scientists who blazed research trails on tree transfers, instead
of
following the well-trampled professional highway investigating competition,
have written mainly about what root grafts mean for forestry.  Cutting a
tree
but leaving its stump may be no help in preventing the spread of disease.
Trying to kill selected trees by injecting herbicide could spread the
poison
to
non-targeted trees.  Girdling trees with strong root grafts may not kill
them,
at least not below the girdle.  Interlocked trees are probably more
resistant
to wind throw but less resistant to disease.  Selective cutting may produce
unexpected results -- you may remove not a competitor but a partner.
     I would love to draw deeper lessons than those practical ones.  I have
a bias opposite to the one my science professors so assiduously tried to
instill in me.  I prefer to believe in cooperation as a working principle,
not
competition.  I like to think about complex interacting systems.  I have an
instinctive (some would say irrational) notion that the forest knows and
weeps
when a single tree falls.  I love the notion of secret traffic among trees.
     Like my scientific brethren and sistren on the opposite side of the
bias, I am not blind to the social implications of lessons purportedly
drawn
from nature.  Aha!  I can say.  Big trees support small trees.  Trees stand
together, they don't struggle against each other.  When we take one away,
we
send waves through an interconnected community.  If this is true for tree,
might it not work for people?
     Which is, of course, as oversimplified a picture as is the notion that
the forest is nothing but the sum of its trees.  There is plenty of
competition
in a forest.  Intertree networks spread disease and poisons as well as
nutrients and hormones.  No one understands the reason -- if there is one
--
why any tree shares anything with another.  Nature is too complex to ratify
our
simple worldviews.  Whatever we understand about the interconnections among
trees, there is probably much more that we don't understand.
     If there's any unbiased lesson to be drawn from the community of
trees,
that's probably it.
     (Donella H. Meadows is an adjunct professor of Environmental Studies
at
Dartmouth College and director of the Sustainability Institute, a think/do
tank
for sustainable systems.)
+ - Gaia Sajtoszemle #347 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Szegyen, de a nyari szavadsagolasok miatt jo 2 het kesessel jelenik meg
(altalam) a Gaia Sajtoszemle 347. szamanak elektronikus valtozata.
A tartalombol:
             Szerkesztosegi: "Dobj el!" arucikkeink
             Jelentes a harmadik bolygorol
             Nyelvorseg
             "Szepen Emberul" - Felhivas
             Levelek Belgradbol es Olaszorszagbol
             10. Hirek
             8.1 Gazdasagi kerdesek
             8.3 Kornyezeti neveles
             8.4 Mozgalmi kerdesek
             9. Vegyes
             Csath Magdolna: Mit mutatnak a mutatok?
             Siklaky Istvan: Creutz, Gesell stb.
             Siklaky Istvan: Magyar modell
             Norberg-Hodge reszlet
             Halalos gazdasagi gyarmatositas
             Gyerekek Kalas Gyorgynel
             Vaski Kamilla egy raktararuhazrol
             Nigeriai olajmezok
             Filmeznek a tengerparton
             Kornyezetvedelem Indiaban
             Dana Meadows: Hirdetes-orulet
             Vilagjarok erre-arra ("Oko"-turizmus?)
             Gy.O.: Talalas

A Szemle halozati elektronikus formaban megrendelheto a 
cimre kuldott levelben. (Kerheto ekezetes, ekezet nelkuli szoveg illetve
WinWord 2.0 formaban.) A Zold Pok felhasznaloi a halozat faliujsagjan es
allomanyteruleten erhetik el, visszamenoleg is. WWW-bongeszovel rendelkezok
294. szamunktol a kovetkezo cimen erhetik el a Sajtoszemlet:
                        http://www.foek.hu/gaia
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