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1 Oktatasi rendszer (mind)  47 sor     (cikkei)
2 Kerdes hollandiai magyarokhoz (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: *** KULTURA *** #307 (mind)  270 sor     (cikkei)
4 Lost Highway (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
5 matekoktatas (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Oktatasi rendszer (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Halee!

> Felado : Jedlovszky Pal (Trento, Olaszorszag)
> E-mail :  [Italy]

Pali,   szeretnek neked gratulalni,   eddig a te  hozzaszolasod volt 
szamomra   a   legkellemesebb   olvasmany  a   fenti   temakorben.   

A felveteli-centrikus oktatas jelenleg egy nagyon hosszu zsakutcaban 
halad.  Ebbol adodoan ket alternativa letezik. Megvarhatjuk azt, mig 
elerunk  a zsakutca vegere  es teljesen bekorlatozzuk  a tizenevesek 
erdeklodesi  koret es  kulturaltsagi szintjet vagy  lebontunk nehany 
falat  es regi epuletet, helyukre pedig tereket, parkokat telepitunk.

Az oktatasnak az egesz rendszeret meg kellene reformalni ahhoz, hogy 
a  regi, elavult szemleletet kioljuk. Nem  tudom, hogy peldaul a NAT 
megfogalmazza-e az oktatasi celokat?  Nem hiszem,  hogy ujat mondana 
ebben a temaban... 
A magolas szintjere sullyesztett irodalmi tananyag jelenleg nem tudja  
megszerettetni a tizenevesekkel a muveszeteket. Nem varhatunk tulzott 
intellektualis  igenyeket olyan tanuloktol, akiknek a szajaba adjak, 
hogy  mit kell jelentenie egy versnek, konyvnek, kepnek. Ez kinek jo?
   
Nem ertek egyet azokkal, akik azt allitjak, hogy nehany gyereknek ugy 
kell a fejebe verni az elemzest, mert nem hajlando velemenyalkotasra. 
Ez  a pedagogia csodje lenne,  ha  ezt elismernenk!  Minden emberben 
kialakul a sajat ertekitelet es a tanar dolga az, hogy ezt megtanitsa 
kifejezesre juttatni minden diakjaval.

A  matematika mar megint  mas problemakat vet fel.   A kepleteket es 
a  teteleket tudni kell,  de a szaraz szovegeles keves ehhez.  Nekem 
szerencsem volt, mert elmondhatom azt, hogy jo tanaraim voltak, akik 
ha kellett negy-ot kulonbozo modon megkozelitve sulykoltak belenk az 
elsajatitando tananyagot.  Erre a  targyra  fokozottan igaz,  hogy a 
tanar felelossege a legnagyobb.
Azzal  teljes mertekben egyetertek, hogy nem azon van a lenyeg, hogy 
tudjunk trigonometrikus egyenlotlensegeket illetve geometriapeldakat 
megoldani,   hanem  azon,  hogy  ez jelentos  mertekben fejleszti  a 
kombinativ  logikat,  kepesse  tesz arra,  hogy  komplexebb dolgokat 
konnyebben megerthessunk az elet minden teren.

Hellas!                                             - Tess -

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+ - Kerdes hollandiai magyarokhoz (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kedves Kultura Olvasok!

A minap Hollandiaban boklaszva es kedves hollandiai ismerosomnek
konyvet keresve megkisereltem magyar irok alkotasait fellelni,
termeszetesen hollandul. Konrad Gyorgy konyvein kivul semmit sem  
talaltam, a nagy konyvesbolti katalogust bongeszve sem sikerult
pl. Karinthy-ra akadni (nemetul megjelent) vagy meg Eszterhyzyra
sem, pedig o most "nagy divat" a nemet neyelvteruleten. (Annyira
azert nem kelendo, de legalabb kiadjak...)

Kerdesem es keresem a Hollandiaban elo magyarokhoz,- tudnak-e
magyar klasszikusokrol, vagy egyaltalan magyar irokrol az emlitetten
kivul, akik megjelentek holland forditasban?!

Elore is milllo koszonet.

Udvozlettel
Andrea
+ - Re: *** KULTURA *** #307 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hello!

Ha az alabbi level ( mind a 226 soraval ) megjelenhetett a HIX KULTURA-ban,
akkor koszonom, en ezt a KULTURA-t nem kerem tobbe!


                        Csurtus






>
>=======================================================
>Felado :  [bkhte]
>Temakor: Never be out of $$ again ( 226 sor )
>Idopont: Sun Jun  1 08:29:46 EDT 1997 KULTURA #307
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>Dear Friend,
>
>
>
>Greetings!  I am a retired Attorney, and about two years ago a man came
>to me with a letter.  The letter he brought me is basically the letter
>in your hands.  He asked me to verify the fact that this letter was
>legal.  I told him that I would review it and get back to him.  When I
>first read the letter my client brought me I thought it was some
>off-the-wall idea to make money.  However, a week and-a-half later we
>met in my office to discuss the issue.  I told him the letter he
>originally brouht to me was not 100% legal.  I suggested a few changes
>with which the letter would be 100% legal.
>
>
>I was curious about this letter, and my client told me how this plan
>works and suggested that I give it a try.  I thought it was a long shot
>and would be a wast of time, so I decided against participating.
>However, before my client left, I asked him to keep me updated of his
>results.  About two months later he called me to tell me he had received
>over $800,000 in cash!!  I didn't believe him, so he suggested that I
>try this idea and find out for myself.  I thought about it for a couple
>of days and decided that I didn't really have anything to lose, so I
>asked my client for a copy of the letter.  I followed the instructions
>exactly, sent out 200 copies, and sure enough, the money started
>arriving!  It came slowly at first, but after 3 weeks, I was getting
>more mail than I could open in a day!  The money stopped coming after
>about three months.  I kept a precise record of my earnings, and they
>totaled $968,498.00!!
>
>
>I was earning a good living as a lawyer, but anyone in the legal
>profession, or even anyone who owns their own business will tell you,
>there is a lot of stress that comes with the job.  I told myself that if
>things worked out, I would retire from my job and travel.  I decided to
>try the letter again, but this time I sent out 500 letters.  Well ,
>three months later, my earnings totaled $2,344,178.00!!!  I just could
>not believe it.  I met with my former client (and now my friend) for
>lunch to find out how it worked.  He told me there are quite a few
>similar letters going around.  What made THIS ONE DIFFERENT WAS THE FACT
>THAT 6 ADDRESSES APPEAR ON THE LIST, AND NOT 5 LIKE MOST OF THE OTHERS.
>This fact alone results in your name being on far more returns.  Of
>course I was thankful that he had shown this plan to me, but he was just
>as thankful that I had suggested the changes to ensure that this plan
>was legal since most people don't want to risk doing something illegal.
>
>
>I'll bet that by now you are curious to know the little change I
>suggested in my friend's original letter.  Well, if you send a letter
>like this out, to be legal you must actually sell a product or service
>if you expect to receive a dollar.  I told my friend that anyone sending
>a dollar back to him must receive something in return.  You have
>received this letter due to the participation of each of the 6 persons
>given below.  This letter and the plan given within this letter are a
>"product" that you have received.  Thus, you will be sending $1.00 to
>each of the 6 persons given below in exchange for receiving this letter
>and for asking them to provide the "service" of adding you on their
>mailing list.
>
>
>THIS IS A SERVICE AND IS 100% LEGAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY WHICH IS
>COVERED IN TITLE 18, SECTION 1302 AND 1342 OF THE POSTAL AND LOTTERY
>LAWS.
>
>
>
>NOW, PLEASE FOLLOW THESE TRIED AND TRUE STEPS TO OBTAIN THE AMOUNT YOU
>DESIRE:
>
>
>1) Immediately send a $1 dollar bill to each of the 6 people on the list
>below. Wrap this dollar in a note with the words: "Please put me on your
>mailing list." (Remember, in this way, you're not just sending a dollar
>to someone; you're paying for a legitimate service.)  Include your
>address.  You do not need to include your name.  This is the key to the
>program! Also, let each person know what number they are in the letter
>so he/she knows which cycle he is receiving the $1.00 from.  Make sure
>that you retain EVERY name and or address sent to you, either on
>computer or hard copy, but do not discard the names and notes that
>people send to you.  This is PROOF that you are truly providing a
>service, and should the I.R.S. or some other government agency question
>you, you can provide them with this proof!  Therefore you will start a
>list of all the people who send you a dollar requesting to be added on a
>mailing list.  Actually, you will want to safeguard this list because it
>can generate even better responses and much more money later!  See step
>#4 below.
>
>
>2) Remove the name next to the #1 on the list, and move the rest of the
>names up one position.  Then place your name in the #6 spot.  Thus, #6
>becomes #5, #4 becomes #3, etc., and YOU will be #6 on the list. DO NOT
>EDIT THIS LETTER ANYMORE BEYOND THIS POINT.  When you are mailing this
>letter, you may edit the references to the internet.
>
>
>3) Post this letter in at least 250 newsgroups, I do 5 groups per post.
>You can simply copy the contents of this letter and past it to the
>newsgroups of your choice.
>IMPORTANT NOTE: Please pay attention to the newsgroups in which you
>post.  If there is an abundance of similar letters, you may want to seek
>another newsgroup. Thus, pat respect to the harmony of the newsgroup and
>use common sense.  There are plenty of newsgroups on the Internet.  (I
>think there are close to 18,000 of them.)  ALSO, PLEASE POST IN
>APPROPRIATE GROUPS AND SPREAD YOUR POSTINGS OVER MANY DIFFERENT LOCAL &
>INTERNATIONAL AREAS (SPREAD THE WORD)!
>For added success, you can also mail this letter as well, in addition to
>posting in newsgroups. Order 200 (or more) names from a mailing list
>company.  Two that have been most effective for these names are:
>
>
>         S.E. Mailing List              Advon Distributors
>         P.O. Box 15061                 P.O. Box B-11
>         Ft. Lauderdale, FL  33318S     Helly, ID  83274
>         (954) 742-9519                 (800) 992-3866
>
>
>4. Keep a copy of this letter so you can use it a second time.  Also
>keep EACH AND EVERY NAME AND ADDRESS SENT TO YOU as instructed in #1.
>Then, send out more copies in about 6 months, but mail it to the
>addresses you receive (your new mailing list) with each dollar!  It will
>work again, only much better!
>
>
>Here are the addresses that you must send a dollar to with your slip of
>paper requesting placement on their mailing list, as instructed above:
>
>
>        1.  Ron van Hoof
>                14 Moshier St.
>                Greenwich, CT 06831
>                USA
>
>
>        2.  Richard Blanchette
>                Pob 455
>                Palisade, Colorado
>                81520
>                USA
>
>
>        3.  Caroline Mowinckel
>                Molnar Utca 21
>                2 Em Nr-10
>                H-1056 Budapest
>                Hungary
>
>
>        4. Peter Kjoge
>                Camino de la Condesa 9, 5-A
>                E-29640 Fuengirola
>                Spain
>
>
>        5. Odd Hilsen
>                Avda Espana 93
>                Sitio de Calahonda
>                Mijas Costa - Malaga
>                Spain
>
>
>***THIS PLAN WILL NOT WORK UNLESS YOU SEND $1.00 TO EACH OF THE ABOVE
>PERSONS AS DIRECTED.
>
>
>How do the numbers work for potential income earnings?
>Assume for the sake of example that you get a 7.5% return rate.  This is
>a very conservative, my first attempt was about 9.5%, and my second was
>over 11%.
>
>1.  You send out 250 letters, and 18 people (250 x 7.5% = 18) will send
>$1 each.  $18.00
>
>
>2.  Those 18 send out 250 letters each, and 337 people (18 x 250 =
>4,500x 7.5% = 337), send you $1 each.  $337.00
>
>
>3.  Those 337 send out 250 letters each (337 x 250 = 84,250 x 7.5% =
>6,318), and 6,318 people send you $1 each.  $6,318
>
>
>4.  Those 6,318 send out 250 letters each (6,318 x 250 = 1,579,500 x
>7.5% = 118,462), and 118,462 people send you $1 each.  $118,462.00
>
>
>5.  Those 118,462 send out 250 letters each (118,462 x 250 = 29,615,500
>x 7.5% = 2,221,162), and 2,221,162 people send you $1 each.
>$2,221,162.00
>
>
>                ADD 1-5 AND TOTAL AT $2,346,297.50
>
>
>ALL THIS IS AT A 7.5% RETURN ON YOUR LETTERS.  THAT'S 18 REPLIES ON YOUR
>ORIGINAL 250 POSTINGS.
>
>
>Some valuable, general suggestions:
>
>1.  DO NOT TRY AND CHEAT THIS PROCESS.  IF YOU DO, YOU WILL NOT ACHIEVE
>THE DISIRED RESULTS.
>
>2.  The Internet is a very effective medium for exposing this vehicle.
>However, pay attention to newsgroups, and avoid posting this letter in
>the newsgroups where there are a lot of upset epeople complaining about
>"spamming."  In other words, we are asking that you use common sense,
>and have courtesy to others on the Internet.  This may be opposite of
>what many other similar postings may be saying.  Keep in mind that there
>are plenty of people out there who believe and want this as much as you
>do.
>
>3.  Keep a positive frame of mind while engaging in this process, and
>you will receive the amount of money you desire.
>
>4.  In order to achieve maximum results DO NOT CHANGE THE CONTENTS OF
>THIS LETTER.  However, you may edit applicable portions relating to
>Internet when sending this letter via regular mail.
>
>5.  When the money begins to arrive, it is a good gesture to give 10% or
>more to your church or favorite charity with a joyful spirit.
>The Internet has proved to be a very quick and effective means to reach
>millions of people with your message.  This message exemplifies a
>UNIVERSAL LAW OF ABUNDANCE that there is plenty to go around for
>everyone.  You will not be hurting anyone and will be creating the
>opportunity for those who read your message to benefit--just as you
>will--from the abundance that exists in this universe.
>
>
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+ - Lost Highway (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hello!

Mar csak nehany napot kell varni, es a mozikba kerul David Lynch uj
filmje, a Lost Highway.

De a rola keszult ismertetore nem kell varakoznod! Premier elott
elolvashatod a Relax! magazinban.


		  http://www.nyitok.hu/relax/

							Marco
+ - matekoktatas (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Jedlovszky Pali (vajh melyik? ;-) irja:


"""""
    Hasonlokeppen a matematika oktatasnak sem a kepleteket kell szerintem
beleverni az emberekbe, hanem vilagosan, kovetkezetesen gondolkozni
megtanitani. Az erettsegizett emberek viszonylag kis reszenek lesz
szuksege arra hogy egesz kesobbi elete soran akarcsak egyetlen egy
trigonometrikus egyenlotlenseget vagy geometriapeldat is megoldjon, annal
nagyobb szuksege lesz mindenkinek az esetleg eppen ilyen peldak
megoldasa soran elsajatitott tiszta, vilagos, szigoru gondolkodasmodra. 
"""""""
Milyen igaz! En soha nem ertettem, mier a nagy felhajtas a matek
korul. A fizika oktatasa szv sz. sokkal fontosabb. Mar csak azert
is, mert a matek alkalmazasara tanit, raadasul meg hasznos is lehet
az eletben (riaszto peldakat latni: erettsegizett
emberek nem ismerik a ketoldalu emelo osszefuggeseit, ceruzaelem
egyik polusat nyalogatjak kiprobalni, hogy jo-e stb.). A jambor
kozepiskolas  nem erti a sakalrszorzatot (ki volt a z a hulye, aki
kitalalta, hogy ket vektor szorzata skalar legyen es nekem
mier kell ez tudni is), es nem ismeri fel a fizikai analogiat 9foleg
ha a tanar se mondja...).

Bucsuzom, elnezest  a hibakert, de messziro irok...

Feri

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