I WILL GIVE YOU THE REQUESTED INFO IN A FEW DAYS.

Poetician1 wrote:
>I don't believe I'm reading this from you. Have you become a closet
>liberal?

Mr Feher > wrote:
|I am not a liberal. I just fell that all nations have equal rights, and 
|when one was is in distress it needs attention. 

Mark Cristian > replied:
:Dear mr. Feher, please rest asured that he does not mistake you for a 
:liberal. You are very obnoxiousely a dickhead, it is quite obvious!
:Then again, he was not commenting about your esteemed falusness, but about
:myself. So much for being alert! Wake the fuck up before you start
:casting your moronic lines over the net;

Coulda said it better myself, but what the hell, your point is clear
enough.

>I just wonder why the Romas themselves do not participate in the
>discussion?

:Because they dirty, cocksucking parasites that don't even care to educate
:themself to the degree that would enable them to post here, and please
:the kind of rotten, doublespeaking class of fagots that you so prodly
:represent as a specimen. A sad joke for a human being. 

Actually, the "dirty, cocksucking parasites" I know do post to the net, but
not in this cesspool of intellectual debris known as SCR. I am part of an
"INTRANET" that involves the Roma from all over the world. They are an
intelligent breed and know enough to avoid the back alleys of the internet
where they can get mugged by the outrageous-&-uprighhteous stake-lickers of
Vlad the Glad Gland.

:Over the years I learned one thing,

Despite much effort and many attempts he has proven to be intractable about
learning more than one thing. He is the origanal one-dimensional man.

:'Arbeit macht Frei'!

Most people's work make only the bosses free.
Arbeit macht Frei is stale toast.

:All the thieving gypsie parasites should be banished to Hungary, or
:impaled outright. Hell, Vlad the Impaler still has something to teach us
:about justice.

Because the Romanian arsonists have failed to learn anything about justice
from anywhere else.

:Personaly, I would give such a prick as you are, a very high place in this
:forest of justice. Heck, what is a magyar after all but a gypsie of poor
:quality, you should be honored for the priviledge of being impaled upon a
:taller stake than most.  

Currently, downtown Toronto still claims to have the world's tallest free
standing structure. You'll have to out-tall that if you want to make a
judicial statement worthy of note.

:up yours too,
:m. cristian

Did you ever think of establishing a chain of drive-through stake-houses?

In article >,  
says...
>
>Gyorgy Kovacs > wrote:
>
>>BTW.: You confuse insult with wordplay. If you don't remember, read 
Wally's 
>>post on Budapest being a gay resort. 
>
>So what?  I myself thought it was funny because I knew the absurdity of
>it.  As to the word play, it might have been with "Gober" he did it. I
>don't remenber the details any more.
>Joe

You're better off for not remembering the details. I guess I made one 
powerful gutpunch to their posting-pride for them to carry it in their 
memories for so long. But then again, what can we expect from flameless 
Bics.

In article >, 
(Istvan Szucs) wrote:

> In article >,
> T.M.Lutas > wrote:
> | In article >, 
> | (Istvan Szucs) wrote:
> 
> 
> | 
> | The one thing that was *not* in the report was a showing that there was 
> | a difference in treatment.
> 
> The report specifically claimed that Gypsies were targeted.

The extract that was posted here may have made claims but did not provide 
evidence. I think that the PDSR has made a hash of the police as it has 
in most of government. The police need to respect everybody's civil rights 
but the report is calling police actions racist without providing evidence 
that the police are any less a bunch of jerks to non-gypsies. The evidence 
is probably there. Not providing it gives excuses. It's simply a bad move. 

>  What has been posted so far is that Romanian 
> | police officials violate human rights against gypsies and that they should 
> | stop it. I tend to agree. However, to lay the claim that they are
persecuted, 
> | you need to show that there is a difference between their treatment and the
 
> | treatment of non-gypsy criminals.
> 
> This was also claimed by the report. I'll go back and quote,
> but I remember something about claims that gypsies were
> targeted by authorities and civlians.

Gypsies can be targeted because they have a higher rate of crime or gypsies 
can be targeted because the police are racist SOB's who do not respect 
human rights. The solution should be tailored to the problem. If high 
gypsy crime rates are the problem and the police are equally brutal to all 
those that it targets, gypsy or not, then the solution to the problem will 
have to be different than if the police are only brutal to gypsies. 

> | The gypsies *do* have a higher crime rate, they *would* be hit harder by 
> | a general police disregard for human rights. But if they would attack it as
 
> | a general disregard instead of a special problem of their ethnicity, they 
> | may find themselves with a wider (and winning) coalition to stop it. 
> 
> Given the assumptions above I would agree with you. I think
> howerver that there is a problem with differential system if
> the report is to be believed. Now since the same problem is
> prominent in many countries with significant gypsy
> populations, I would tend to thin k there might be something
> there.

You have too many pronouns for me to follow your thinking here. Please 
clarify. 

DB

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In article >,
 > wrote:
>>I hope this helps.
>
>No, it doesn't.

Well, than you have to figure it out on your own.

> It only makes me grin that you, of all people should say
>that when you picked such a fight with Wally over one of his word plays
>with you.

Which he loose. And he also proved himself to be a very poor loser.

>Joe

GK
BTW.: You confuse insult with wordplay. If you don't remember, read Wally's 
post on Budapest being a gay resort. That's the beginning.

Geez, I thought all I had to do was invest it into BANCOMER!  Then,
after a couple of military mass murdering of campesinos in the Sierra
Madre, the interest rate would skyrocket!



~Marselo

In article >,  wrote: 
> You have to give them is DIGNITY: 
> Dignity by Recognition as Nation between Nations with a large degree  
> of Authonomy.  
> Then you have to give them AFFIRMATIVE ACTION and/or some exclusive  
> Trade Privileges. In the 19 century Austria gives them trade  
> privileges and it worked. 
> If The NY Times is right there are 3.5M Roma in Romania. You could not  
> assimilate them because they are less educated than the rest. 

 (T.M.Lutas)
|non-assimilation, preferential treatment, and the ability to wiggle out  
|of the daily trials of the rest of the population by virtue of their  
|autonomy 

Autonomy does not mean wiggling out of daily trials. It means wiggling out
of a set of daily trials distinctive from the set of daily trials of
another. It is not preferential treatment to expect that rights be
respected -- right of free speech, movement, association, enterprise.
There was a case in Ontario, Canada, where the Ministry of Health required
that all milk producers must use a certain technological method to ensure
the safety of milk. The Mennonite people protested, because it is there
belief and tradition to not use any technology. (They have a lifestyle
similar to the Amish). They presented their case -- that they have
historically taken such care of their cows and manual equipment that there
had not been one documented case of any person every getting sick from
their product. The law was rewritten in such a manner that it acknowledged
this situation. It could be argued that the Mennonite community obtained
preferential treatment and did not need to invest in technology which
other milk producers were required to do. It should be noted that the
"other milk producers" wilfully chose in their cultural tradition to
involve technology in the processing of their product and to upgrade the
technology as it evolved, and that the technology itself came with
particular vulnerabilities to contamination while at the same time
increasing productivity beyond that capable of one man manually producing.
Their ceiling of possible profit was much higher than what a Mennonite
could expect. The Mennonite maintained their precious autonomy, and the
cultural landscape of Ontario did not slide into interethnic anomosities
as you predict would happen from such a situation.

|is a guaranteed recipe for continued ethnic conflict with frequent  
|violent expression. Take a look at what affirmative action did to US  
|blacks and I hope you will agree that nobody deserves punishment that  
|badly. 

I am opposed to affirmative action because it breeds backlash. It is far
preferable to rigorously enforce anti-discrimination measures and to offer
incentives.

|As for the trade privileges, enshrining one more example of an  
|exception to the free market is not what Romania or any other country  
|rising from socialism should be doing. 

Take note of the example of the Mennonites above. There are nations of
Canadian Natives in British Columbia who felt they could fish for salmon,
while non-natives could not. The situation found itself in the high
courts. The conclusion was that the natives could fish for their dinner,
but non-natives could not. However, the natives could not fish for
commercial gain. This seemed just in spite of the fact that non-natives
were forbidden to fish for dinner. The natives had a valid claim of
tradition which the non-natives did not. As well, the natives were still
an unconquered nation. They were not beaten in battle and consequently
they were not subject to particular laws made by "foreigners." 

The Roma have been a nomadic people with their own cultural peculiarities.
Why should they have to assimilate and become Romanians. The world is big
enough for all kinds of people. Canada had a kerfuffle with a few
dinosoars who felt that the Mounties could only wear a Stetson hat, and
not a turban. Well, the supreme court decided that a turban was quite fine
and did not dishonour the Mounties. The man with the turban enforced
federal laws just as effectively and fairly as those wearing Stetsons and
in the end, that was the salient point. Romania needs to get used to the
fact that it is a multicultural society. The political enforcement of a
unitary state is a root cause of much of the interethnic animosities in
Romania today.

> In article >, 
>  says... [nothing important]

Referring to , Poetician1 wrote: 
> I don't believe I'm reading this from you. Have you become a closet
>liberal? 

A. Albu > wrote: 
|I am not a liberal. I just fell that all nations have equal rights, and  
|when one was is in distress it needs attention. I just wonder why the  
|Romas themselves do not participate in the discussion? 

Trust me, some Roma lurk, and if many do not lurk, I am sometimes The
Informer. I transmit the stuff from here to the part of the net where the
Roma hang. Sorry, it is invitation only and there is vetting. BTW, I didn't
say you were a liberal, closet, mall or otherwise.

In article >,  
says...
>
>Poetician1 > wrote:
>>
>>Nor did you since he is jumping on YOUR incompetence, not mine.
>
>OK, guys, let's not replay the same duel again.  It makes me feel bad
>that I gave the reason for it.
>Joe

What!! You have feelings? And bad ones? You must have re-established contact 
with that Romanian therapist, what's-his-namescu?

Gyorgy Kovacs > wrote:

>BTW.: You confuse insult with wordplay. If you don't remember, read Wally's 
>post on Budapest being a gay resort. 

So what?  I myself thought it was funny because I knew the absurdity of
it.  As to the word play, it might have been with "Gober" he did it. I
don't remenber the details any more.

Joe

Poetician1 > wrote:
>
>Nor did you since he is jumping on YOUR incompetence, not mine.

OK, guys, let's not replay the same duel again.  It makes me feel bad
that I gave the reason for it.

Joe

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Istvan Szucs > wrote:

>Note: The posts were getting enormous with little new
>content, so I went back and erased some text from the posting for
>readability. I only erased text that I consider to be
>irrelevant. If Judith Toth disagrees with their relevancy I
>am sure shee will let us know .

The best thing you could do is to erase your own posts entirely for there
is no substance to them.  Your retorts consist mostly of "visszapofazas", 
but no serious addressing the issues.

Perhaps you would do better if you shared your visdom with the FORUM 
audience about the voting franchise of Hungarian citizens living abroad.  
That happens to be a hot topic right now over there and
judging from your recent posts on the subject here, that also happens to
be your hot button.  Please, for goodness' sake ... don't deny us the
pleasure reading the responses to your well known opinion on that
subject! 

Joe

In article >,  > wrote:
| Istvan Szucs > wrote:
| 
| >Note: The posts were getting enormous with little new
| >content, so I went back and erased some text from the posting for
| >readability. I only erased text that I consider to be
| >irrelevant. If Judith Toth disagrees with their relevancy I
| >am sure shee will let us know .
| 
| The best thing you could do is to erase your own posts entirely for there
| is no substance to them.  Your retorts consist mostly of "visszapofazas", 
| but no serious addressing the issues.

Oh really... funny.. I thought that maybe except for the
last comment I made in the post I have argued my points,
while Judith Toth kept labeling and assuming my responses
(wrong for the most part).
Furthermore I have rejected misinterpretations of my
responses that Judit Toth keeps making. 
 It's one thing to say that you
disagree with what I said - but could you perhaps tell me
which responses do you regard as merely "visszapofazas"?
I am honestly curious.


| Perhaps you would do better if you shared your visdom with the FORUM 
| audience about the voting franchise of Hungarian citizens living abroad.  
| That happens to be a hot topic right now over there and
| judging from your recent posts on the subject here, that also happens to
| be your hot button.  Please, for goodness' sake ... don't deny us the
| pleasure reading the responses to your well known opinion on that
| subject! 

Personally this discussion with Judith Toth is more
important for me, because I consider her opinion to me much
more dangerous than the issue of voting. Thanks for calling
my attention to the discussion on FOrm though.

Can anybody hel me ? I have to translathe this:

" nevetse'ges + felha'bori'to' + ifeszto'', hogy ennyire hia'nyzol  "

" nagyon hia'nyzik a grany(it's a cake) , a lasagne(it's a kind of pasta)
meg azert te is.
  negyon. e's mindenhogyan.

Thanks a lot

Can anyone tell me if the surname BORSIK is more commonly from a
particular town, or region in Hungary  and where that may be?  I am
researching my great grandmother.  Thanks.

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