David Nebenzahl wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for recordings by the great Hungarian violinist "Netti".
> If you have any information about where I can get them, please email me.
> 
> Kösonöm szépen!
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A recent one, with Fodor "Neti" Sandor, is entitled "Kalotaszegi mulato 
enekek" ("The blues at dawn"), with the Okros Ensemble, by the 
ABT001-Records(address: H-1239 Budapest,Vetes u.18, Hungary) from 1996. 
I buyed it in Budapest, two weeks ago; among the vocalists is Sebestyen 
Marta !
Regards, Peter Kovalszki

Here you go, again.

Eva Balogh pretended she knew something about economics
(how would she dare otherwise suggesting that it is a good
idea to sell factories of Hungary for $1!?), and at the same
time would have liked you believe that 46% of Hungarians
are antisemites (if you follow her falsification of basic laws
of mathematics - a disqualification for an economist).
Then, she would claim that she was part of 1956,and at the
same time would have made you believe that "Hungarians don't
call 1956 SZABADSAGHARC" (Freedomfight; see
http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet.html)

NOW, she is trying to convince you on one hand that she is a
"true democrat" and on the other she preaches both elitism and
cries for censorship at every Internet platform she can get at.
THERE IS NO "TRUE DEMOCRAT" WHO CHAMPIONS CENSORSHIP
THERE IS NO "TRUE DEMOCRAT" WHO CHAMPIONS ELITISM

You have go to decide what you want to lie - your conflicting
lies just cancel one another! You cannot advise on economics
flunking rudimentary tests in math, cannot claim to be a
revolutioner in 1956 yet denying Freedomfight -- and you cannot
claim to be a "true democrat" if you are a crybaby for censorship
and preach elitism.

The more you insist that you are on BOTH sides on the fence
the faster you loose whatever credibility you may still have
left.

P.S. Just to be sure what is your lie regarding Prime Minister
Horn, butcher of Freedomfighters: Record is plentiful that

(a) you knew all along that he was member of the workers' militia,
butchering Freedomfighters in 1956. True, or not true?

(b) inspite of this "lowest of the low" standing you STILL
supported his regime since its beginning, 1994, and do so even
today? True, or not true?

(Help: please don't mix up SUPPORTING someone and CRITICIZING
the same. One can criticize e.g. Mr. Dole and still support him
e.g. by voting for him. Your case is similar, yet significantly
different, it is possible to criticize butchers of Freedomfighters
and supporting their being Prime Minister. It is possible, but
it is immoral to support a prime minister who may well have been
murderer of Freedomfighters. Your other immoral act (denying that
they were SZABADSAGHARCOSOK, compounds your pathological lies
and lack of moral standing)

Peter Szaszvari wrote:

> As far as I know (correct me if I am wrong) a great portion (I
> remember 80%) of those eggs having met(!) that sperm (the great
> "he") just could not get a rest in the womb and they must go.
> I am pretty sure this is done by the God. 
> Another thing, women under a certain weight almost never get
> pregnant (not because they are not needed by anyone).
> So women eating too few are big killers to! 
> What a massacre, I hear the crying!!!

(I'll try to apply your logic here.) "Many 10-20-30-40-50-60-70-80-90-100 
years old persons die every day by natural death. What a massacre! Why 
God permits this massacre? There's no God!"

-- 

Ivan

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Peter Szaszvari wrote:

> Don't mention the one who said he was the son of the God and
> invented the rule which only says: everyone must love him.

He WAS the son of God.

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Just my little comments. (we don't mention here how arrogant it 
is to call somebody again and again a pathological liar...)

In article >,
    wrote:
[...]
>Then, she would claim that she was part of 1956,and at the
>same time would have made you believe that "Hungarians don't
>call 1956 SZABADSAGHARC" (Freedomfight; see
>http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet.html)

E.B is just right, Hungarians don,t call it nothing. Hungarians 
just wouldn't talk about it, so it needs no name.
Only politicans would call it all kind of things, but they are 
not much respected in hungary. (Just like TV stars and other 
"popular" idiots)

If somebody thinks that the everyday life of a Hungarian involves 
some 12 hours of talking about '56 then he/she is far from 
reality and far from Hungary.

Why don't you call '56 only '56. I think it would fit the best if 
you still want so badly to talk about it?



Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

In article >,
   Ivan Marinov > wrote:

>(I'll try to apply your logic here.) "Many 
10-20-30-40-50-60-70-80-90-100 
>years old persons die every day by natural death. What a 
massacre! Why 
>God permits this massacre? There's no God!"
>

Absolutely right! As I was saying that!
Appart from one little thing: there is God!
He has a lot of fun waching us dying 
10-20-30-40-50-60-70-80-90-100 years old.
 
He created this game about us, trying us, you know, and he really 
likes how we are discussing the rules that he never in fact told 
us. (Don't mention the one who said he was the son of the God and  
invented the rule which only says: everyone must love him.)

And when he feels bored about one of us, he just puts the guy to 
a place called heaven "where nothing, nothing ever happen" and he 
likes it even more (because he could not figure out bigger 
penalty than this).

I think we had enough fun. On my part I finish now, certainly we 
would not convince each other. On the other hand I don't really 
like to do this since, I will hurt other people who were not so 
hard pushing forward this Christian movement, and it is far from 
my intention.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

 .edu (Gyorgy Kovacs)wrote:
><><CULTURE: The nation who gave the following people to the World: Bela
><><Bartok, Ferenc Liszt, Mihaly Munkacsi, Victor Vasarelli, Zoltan Kodaly,
><><George Czukor, etc. etc. etc
>
>Wally Keeler > wrote:
><>What's the matter, too damn lazy to stand up for your own people and pass
><>them off as mere "etc. etc. etc."
>
>(Gyorgy Kovacs) wrote:
><Why go for the cannon when you can kill a varmint with a slingshot?
>
>Because I regard the genius' of Hungarian culture as more than a mere
>slingshot -- in your case -- slingshit.
>
><>You can also include the scientific community; the Nobel Laureates:
><>Lenard, Fulop, for his phosphorescence research and his theory of
><>photoelectric influence; Barany, Robert, for medicine, equilibrium in the
><>inner ear; Zsigmondy, Richard Adolf colloid-chemical research;
><>Szentgyorgi, Albert, for biological burn research and vitamin C
><>influence; Hevesy, Gyorgy Jozsef, for the use of isotopes in chemical
><>research; Bekesy, Gyorgy, for inner ear research; Wigner, Jeno, for
><>nuclear reactions; Gabor, Denes, for 3d photography;
>
><I would but the field in qustion was CULTURE, not SCIENCE.
>                            \
>                            Oops, your stupidity is showing again.
>                            Time to zip it up before you embarrass
>                            yourself further.
>
>Hmm, let me see. Science is not culture you claim. Culture excludes science
>you claim. Hmm. The Oxford Dictionary defines culture as:
>1) Worship, reverential homage
>2) The action or practice of cultivating the soil
>3) The cultivating or rearing of a plant or crop
>3b)The rearing or raising of certain animals, such as fish, oysters, bees.
>3c)The artificial development of microscopic organisms
>3d)The training of the human body
>4) The cultivating or development (of the mind, faculties, manners, etc): 
>   improvement or refinement by education and training.
>5) The training, development and refinement of mind, taste and manners; the
>   condition of thus being trained and refined; the intellectual side of
>   civilization.
>5b)A particular form or type of intellectual development.
>6) The prosecution with special attention or study of any subject or
>   pursuit.
>
>I'm afraid the established definition of culture includes the genius of the
>scientific community. Chalk it up to your $19.95 education.
>
><>And there is a long list of other influential Hungarians:
><>Segner, Janos: physicist
><>Vitus, Janos Balsarati: court physician to Pope Paul V
><>Kempelen, Farkas Pazmandi: engineer
><>Biro, Laszlo Janos: ballpoint pen inventor
><>Sziegmeth, Alfred: directed Pioneer research satellites
><>Pavlics, Ferenc: designer of the moon buggy
><>Domokos, Istvan: designed LEM engine
><>Karman, Todor: aerodynamic specialist
><>Neumann, Janos: mathematician
>
><See above.
>
>Indeed, see mine above.
>
>But, let us not restrict ourselves to the pittance you originally provided.
>
>Szenes, Zsuzsa: artist
>Haraszti, Miklos: writer
>Kis, Janos: writer
>Toth, Gabor: conceptual artist
>Galantai, Gyorgy: artist
>Erdely, Miklos: artist
>Petocz, Andras: poet
>Szkarosi, Endre: sound poet
>Szombathy, Balint: artist
>Kukorelly, Endre: poet
>Perneczky, Geza: artist
>Dalos, Gyorgy: novelist
>Molnar, Katalin: poet
>Csoori, Sandor: writer
>...
>Now c'mon, let's build it. I only listed a few of the living. There's a lot
>of dead whose work lives well today. Let's not be stingy.
>-- 
>Wally Keeler                      Poetry
>Creative Intelligence Agency           is
>Peoples Republic of Poetry             Poetency
>
>Hey Wally,
>I left out a few things you might want to know.
>1. I can afford typos, you can't (you are supposed to be a poet remember?)

Of course you can. Being a solid member of the proletariet aka masses, you
can afford to be a verbal slob. 

>2. I don't give a hoot about your Oxford Dictionary, I have my Webster and
>   my Longman. You still need to shape up, so keep it.

Whether you give a hoot or not is irrelevent. The point is that you have a
very poor handle on the use of English (being a verbal slob) and
consequently, an impaired ability to think (thinking being somewhat
dependent on language). The point was that you claimed culture as something
which excludes scientific accomplishment; I proved otherwise. My Oxford is
the standard, your Webster and Longman is for verbal slobs.

>3. You should know better by now than trying your childish tricks on me.

Oh I know. Your comebacks have been sooooo creative and witty, sharpe with
cutting edge similes and metaphors, envelope-pushing analogies. And you
never fail to comeback again and again and again.

>4. Unlike you I have better things to do than spending hours on an article.

For you it would take hours -- for me, a few moments. But yes you do have
better things to do -- like tossing out nickel and dime daily comments to
other peoples' postings. Get original and start something yourself instead
of pissing in other peoples' pockets.

>5. I realize you never wanted to know these things.

I am completely uninterested in knowing the mediocre and mundane, so yes, I
never wanted to know those things that you posted in response. I was hoping
for better, but as always, you succeeded to disappoint.

Bye bye for now.
-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

 (Peter Szaszvari) wrote:

>In article >,
>   conny van der wilk <conny van der > 
>wrote:
>>Dear .....,
>>
>>I love you in Dutch is "ik hou van jou". Dutch is the language 
>of the 
>>Netherlans (that is Holland).
>>
>>I don't know how to use internet very well. So I hope you will 
>answer me 
>>when you read this, to tell me that I did it right.
>>
>>with love Conny 
>>
>>
>I am sorry, but Conny's addres was not valid so I could not reach 
>him personally.

>So dear Conny,

>I am sorry but you did it wrong.
>You sent your post to 10 newsgroups where nobody was interested, 
>instead of sending it to that single idiot who started this 
>thread.


>Szaszvari Peter
>(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)


I'm "impressed" by your language. regarding that "idiot" and Connie...
Feel better? (What's your problem?)
 
Dolf van Stijgeren
The Netherlands
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
steps taken forwards
                   sleepwalking back again

In article >, Ivan Marinov
> wrote:

! Peter Szaszvari wrote:
! 
! > And the ~400 eggs in every born women are human beings and the
! > trillions of sperms made by men are as well.
! > 
! > What a massacre !!!
! 
! Eggs and sperms are NOT human beings. Human life begins at the moment 
! WHEN the female egg meets the sperm!

Given Ivan's statement above, I wonder how he explains identical twins? 
Perhaps it is only one human life shared by two individuals?

Btw, conception is a process that can take up to two days.

-- 
Scott Safier                          Robotics Institute
internet:              Carnegie Mellon Univ.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/scotts/www/
Western PA Freedom to Marry Coalition Homepage
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/scotts/ftp/wpaf2mc

Elnezest kerek, ha a temahoz magyarul szolok hozza-de az angolsagom 
"kivanni valot hagy maga utan2- igy minek kinozzam az olvasoakt.-
1./ Attol tartok, hogy Szucs andras baratunk nem tul gyakran, nem tul 
hosszabb ideig tartozkodik manapsag- vagy eppen ezelott, Magyarorszagon.
2./ Amennyiben tevednek, akkor attol tartok, hogy egy igen zartkoru 
tarsasaggal van csak kapcsoalta, mondhatnji nehany emberrel-es nem veszi 
maganak a faradtsagot, hogy mindnekivel beszedbe eledjen- ahogy pl. teszem 
en.
En pl. korom miatt sokat utazom taxival- allandoan beszlegetek a soforrel- 
es ez az egyil legjobb velemenykutatasi rendszer !!
Nem hiszem hogy az 1956-os esemenyek forradalomnak vagy szabadsagharcnak 
valo definialasa ugro-pont lenne, azok kozott, akik foleg a magyar nyelvet 
hasznaljak kommunikaciora- tarsasagban, munkahelyen stb.
Azt allitnai, hogy egyik vagy masik definicioja eldontene, hogy valaki 
"beteges hazudozo" volna, az bizony nem egy "bizonyitasi eljaras.
Ahogy a Szucsok kozul Peter irja, bizony ez a kerdes az utolso 10 evben ( 
ne felejtsuk el, 1956 ta 40 korosztaly suzletett !!!- Ezekkozul soknak 
1956, majd olyan, mint a mohacsi vesz-ez amit sokan keptelenek megerteni)
nem kozponti problemaja, temaja a lakossagnak, csupan ( Peter) a 
politikusoknak, vagy akik ebbol toket akarnak maguknak faragni- sajnos 
mindket oldalon. Ide szeretnem szurni azt is, hogy Antalek allando Recskre 
valo hivatkozasa is alapjabanveve naiv volt: a lakossag igen nagy 
szazalekanak ez semmit sem mond, akarcsak az 1951-es kitelepites. Ez a 
legtobb emebrnek tortenelem csupan. Igy mindenfele definialas hiabavalo- a 
z otthonelok nem egeszen ertik a kulfoldi magyarokat- akik tulajdonkeppen 
ottragadtak idoben- ahol es amikor tavoztak otthonrol-ertve ez alatt 
mindent, pl. mentalitast es nyelvet(!). Gondoltok arra, hogy ma egy erosen 
megvaltozott magyar nyelvet hasznalnak pl. az ujsagirok?.( en neha nem is 
ertem) Szoval valakinek az 1956-os esemneykhez valo "hozzaallasa" nem 
annak definiciojan mullik- legyen az forradalom vagy szabadsagharc. 
Egyebkent Andras ragaszkodasa a szabadsagharc szohoz kifejezetten 
"kirekeszto" jellegu: ezzel probalja kirekeszteni a volt kommunistakat pl.
akikbol pedig igen sokan voltak vezeto posicioban pl. Maleter-vagy Nagy.
Nem tudom Szucs A. hany eves, es mennyiben es hogyan vett reszt az 56-os 
esemnyekben- en ugyan nem ahrcoltam-de akkor meg otteltem Magyarorszagon 
es ha meglepodessel is de lattam, hogy volt kommunistak is aktivan 
harcoltak. Szoval ne sajatitsuk ki 1956-ot egy kis retegnek - az esetleges 
szelsojobboldalon...:-)
Ma emberek akik maximalisan kisozlgaltak a kadarrendszert -mar Antal alatt 
is, nem csak Horneknak koszonhetoen-, vezeto posicioban vannak !!!
Emlekezzunk csak azokra az usjagirokra, akik Kadarek hangos hivei voltak, 
de amikor atalltak (mint a szelrozsa) a masikoldalra, azonnal minden 
multjukat megbocsajtottak...lasd a Kosuth dijjas Csurka- aki minden 
kituntetest elfogadott amikor vorosnek kellett lenni...A felsorolas hosszu 
lenne...
Sajnos eppen azok, akik 1990-ig inaktivak voltak, ma nem jutnak szohoz- 
akik vlaoban nem voltak kommunistak-reszint koruk miatt- reszint mert az 
atvedlett volt kommunistak nem hagyjak oket szohozjutni !
Egyebkent sajnos emlekszem (azert sajnos mert akkor is felnott voltam 
mar-tehat most oreg vagyok,nagyon) 1945-re amikor a nyilas parttitkarok 
(konkret eset Ozd-jarasban- ) atvedlettek kommunista partitkarra...
A szin nem volt erdekes ezeknek..
Elnezest kerek a zavarasert, de  en mindeg csak masodrangu alalmpolgar 
voltam....




In article >,  says...
>
>Just my little comments. (we don't mention here how arrogant it 
>is to call somebody again and again a pathological liar...)
>
>In article >,
>    wrote:
>[...]
>>Then, she would claim that she was part of 1956,and at the
>>same time would have made you believe that "Hungarians don't
>>call 1956 SZABADSAGHARC" (Freedomfight; see
>>http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet.html)
>
>E.B is just right, Hungarians don,t call it nothing. Hungarians 
>just wouldn't talk about it, so it needs no name.
>Only politicans would call it all kind of things, but they are 
>not much respected in hungary. (Just like TV stars and other 
>"popular" idiots)
>
>If somebody thinks that the everyday life of a Hungarian involves 
>some 12 hours of talking about '56 then he/she is far from 
>reality and far from Hungary.
>
>Why don't you call '56 only '56. I think it would fit the best if 
>you still want so badly to talk about it?
>
>
>
>Szaszvari Peter
>(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)
>
>

Crispín Escalante G. wrote:
> 
> Please E-mail me translation 3 words
> Thank you

In German are the famous 3 words:
	
	"Ich liebe Dich."

The russian version is:

	"ya tebya lublju"

But the use a other ABC and I can't write it in the right form.

-- 

	"Ich möchte gern ein Baum sein, weil Bäume kein Herz haben ..."

Hard to imagine life away from the net, but I'll be on the road for some time. 
I need to check my mail at least. Do you know of Internet Cafes in the
the following cities:

Krakow
Budapest
Zagreb
Ljubjana
Split
Dubrovnik

There finally is one here in Riga, Latvia:

The Bimini Nam Nam: 

Email replies appreciated.


Nate (Internate)

Scott A. Safier wrote:

> Given Ivan's statement above, I wonder how he explains identical twins?
> Perhaps it is only one human life shared by two individuals?

No. twins are two lifes.

> Btw, conception is a process that can take up to two days.

Yes, human life begins with conception. 

-- 

Ivan

---
Ivan Marinov - Maximilian Valenski
---



---
"The Western world has lost its civil courage, both as a whole, 
and separately, in each country, each government, each 
political party, and of course in the UN. I have spent all my 
life under a Communist regime, and I will tell you that a society 
without any objective scale is a terrible one indeed. But a 
society with no other scale but the legal one is not quite worthy
of man either." (A. I. Solzhenitsyn)
---
"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake:
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." (Jesus)
---
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million US Dollars for processing. The act of e-mailing 
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I'm planning an ultra-budget trip through from Latvia, through 
Hungary and Slovenia, down to the Adriatic coast. The information
I have access to here is what I can find on the Internet. But my
access is limited, so I'd appreciate email replies.

Are there any accommodations in Budapest for $15/night or less? Private
rooms are fine, or hostels without a curfew?. Eger, Pecs, Balaton: how
much are the cheapest hotels? Any contact info about Budget travel
services?

Train and Bus timetables online?


Thanks!



Nate Lipson
Riga, Latvia

Peter Szaszvari wrote:
<snip>
> >What I am after is something like "You are very beautiful" "I
> like you a lot" sort of
> >stuff.
> ><snip>
> What you want would work in most of the countries but not
> necessarily in Hungary.
> You can say "sze'p vagy" (you are beautiful) but they will
> suspect that you want something too fast or you consider them
> stupid.

A very interesting and unexpected cultural difference (for an Englishman)

> Without kidding, you better complement their brain, and they will
> remember it as if they were told they were beautiful.
> (If you don't believe it, you may try it)
> They ARE beautiful (oh man!) but they want to hear they are
> intelligent.

That will be easy in this case - she's *very* smart...

<snip>
> Another thing, if you have to say something at all it is far too
> bad already. Pick up an other girl who understands you without
> it.<snip>

It's not that bad - in fact it's pretty good ;-) [I think!??]

***Love is like the British Government - Blindness and stupidity go hand in han
d.***
[Standard disclaimers apply - yawn]

Hmmm - may have a new sig. there ;->

Anyway - Thanks for your pearls of wisdom, Peter - I now know what not to try!

Tim Southerwood
Computing Officer
Department of Management Studies
University of Surrey