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1 Mindent (avagy majdnem) a felújított Web-oldalomon! (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
2 BUEK (mind)  5 sor     (cikkei)
3 Baba Yaga-a musical group (mind)  8 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Finnish related to Turkish? (mind)  354 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: The Anatomy of a Historical Conflict: Romanian-Hung (mind)  74 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: translation help!! (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: Antw: Navo is a political dwarf (was Re: Thanks Hu (mind)  77 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: genealogy - Borschi (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Air plane tickets to New York for sale (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: 80-YEAR SECRECY STAMP (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Ordinary Magyars - US Racial Dictionary (mind)  46 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: recepie for langos (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: Dead end road to NATO and EU (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: Antw: Navo is a political dwarf (was Re: Thanks Hu (mind)  91 sor     (cikkei)
15 szeressuk egymast gyerekek (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
16 California scholars discover language is all Genetic! (mind)  37 sor     (cikkei)
17 Will aol honor "magyar s" request to Censor Senate s Di (mind)  37 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Mindent (avagy majdnem) a felújított Web-oldalomon! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kedves Olvasó!

A napokban felújítottam a www-oldalam ahol a következö témáról
olvashat:

	- versek (tölem, a mamámtól, meg linkek más "komoly" írókhoz)
	- magyar linkek (szinte mindenhova eljuthat ezekböl kiindolva)
	- kanadai linkek (ugyancsak messzemenöek)
	- tudomány és kutatás az Interneten (angolul)
	- Net-linkek (itt ingyenes e-mailt es Web oldalt is kaphat!)
	- egy romantika link-oldal a szeretetre vágyóknak :-)
	- ha megtalálja a titkos linket, akár a Kossúth meg a Petöfi rádió 
	  adását is hallhatja EGYENESBEN nálam! 

Kérem látogasson be hozzám, szívélyes fogadtatásban lesz része!

A pontos URL cím:

	http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2707   

(használhatja a COPY és a PASTE -t hogy ne tévedjen!)

Elöre is köszönöm szépen a látogatást! Kellemes ünnepeket kívánok!

Szabó Attila
+ - BUEK (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Mindenkinek Kellemes Karacsonyt es Boldog Uj evet kivanok !
(Ma este indulunk haza kocsival Zurichbol).

Viszlat jovore,
Tamas
+ - Baba Yaga-a musical group (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Back in 1993, I met someone from Hungary who gave me a tape of Baba Yaga.
He said they were a Hungarian group. It consisted of a rock group with ,
songs in english, but with a large choral group backing them. It sounded to
me like traditional Russian or Ukrainian choral music rather than Hungarian.
Has anyone heard of them? I would dearly love to buy their recordings.

Thanks for your time.
Nathan-Andrew
+ - Re: Finnish related to Turkish? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In > Cluster User wrote:

> some comments about the turkish:
> ...... s^olpan is qIrgIz, but old turkish has c^olpan,
> for elma many dialects of turkish have alma.

Since this is still going on, I may as well try to contribute
my humble comments, corrections and addition to the word list.

But, first I would like to make a point about the above reply.

The original poster of the list had already indicated "s^olpan"
as "Kyrgyz Turk"... What is the point of repeating it by saying
"s^olpan is qIrgIz, but old turkish has c^olpan"...?

As the list included entries from (in the writer's own words):
"Turkish, Osmanli Turk, Old Turkish, Kyrgyz Turk, Sakha Turk,
Uigur Turk, Teleut Turk", it was obvious that the comparisons
were made to Turkish/Turkic languages in general...

Had these been mentioned as "Kyrkyz, Sakha, Uigur, Teleut",
some people might not be able to identify them as languages
of the Turkish/Turkic branch of Altaic... Is the mentioning
of "qirqiz" vs. "old turkish" intentional, as to drive the
wedge deeper between Turkish/Turkic languages... If "Kyrkyz"
is a Turkish/Turkic language and "s^olpan" is a closer match,
what is the purpose of bringing up "c^olpan from old turkish"?

Anyway, since I don't know the other languages in the word list,
I reduced the comparisons to Sumerian and Turkish only. I would
welcome and appriate any comments and corrections...

>Sumerian:       bur 411,104 (to drill, to riddle with holes)
>Turkish:        burmak (to drill - verb)

   Comment:      The verb is "bur", no need for participle form

>Sumerian:       bar 74, 68/302 (family, village)
>Old Turkish:    balIq (city)

   Addition:     bag~rak (family, clan)

>Sumerian:       bur3 411,32 (livestock, four-legged animal, cow)
>Osmanli Turk:   buzaçI (two year-old livestock) 

   Comment:      buzag~I is alternate [correct?] spelling

   Addition:     burçin (doe - female deer)
                 bug~ra, bug~u (camel)

>Sumerian:       bad 69,100 (to fall apart, to be fallen)
>Turkish:        patla (to burst)

   Addition:     bat (to sink, to collapse, to perish)

>Sumerian:       bad 152 8,4 (wall, stuffing)
>Kyrgyz Turk:    bit„ (it closes away - pertaining to arrows?)

>Sumerian:       gab 167,55/57a (to grasp, to get, to catch)
>Turkish:        kap (pot - recepticle, something that catches)

   Addition:     kab (verb: to catch, to grab, to snatch)

>Sumerian:       ab(-ba) 128,13a (father)
>Turkish:        aba (father)

>Sumerian:       s^ub 68,9 (to flatten)
>Sakha Turk:     s„bird„x (page, leaf)

>Sumerian:       gab 167,56 (copy, picture, duplicate)
>Turkish:        k„p (picture in dialect)

>Sumerian:       gib-i/=gig/446,3/4 (be sick, pain, illness)
>Turkish:        gebermek (to pass away)

   Addition:     kebe (to swell, [from which --> gebe-rmek])

>Sumerian:       gir11 152,19 (to stretch)
>Turkish:        germek (to tighten)

   Correction:   ger (means to stretch, rather than tighten)

   Addition:     kirti (wooden bridge)

>Sumerian:       sig 592, 10ff (tight, narrow)
>Turkish:        sIkI (tight)

   Addition:     sIg~ (to fit in a tight space, to shrink)
                 sIk  (to tighten, to press)

>Sumerian:       gig 456,43 (hatred, to hate)
>Old Turkish:    k„k (")

>Sumerian:       s^ag5 356,5/7 (be healthy, good, goodness, nice)
>Turkish:        sag^ (healthy)

>Sumerian:       sig7 351,6 (to live, to sit)
>Turkish:        sakIn (inhabitant)

   Correction:   this is a borrow word, not a Turkish one

   Addition:     sIg~  (to take shelter in)

>Sumerian:       gis^ 296,10 (man, master, sir, gentleman)
>Old Turkish:    iy„ (gentleman)

   Addition:     ki$i (person)

>Sumerian:       gal2 80,3 (to be)
>Turkish:        ol- (it is, it will be, it happens)

   Addition:     kal (to continue existance, to remain)

>Sumerian:       gur4 483,23 (to run, to flee)
>Turkish:        kuriye (fast movement?)

   Question:     can this be verified as a Turkish word?

   Addition:     kur ([+tul] to escape, to free onself from)
                 yu"ru" (to walk)

>Sumerian:       zag 332,43 (flatland, field)
>Turkish:        sahra- (steppe, land, plateau)

   Correction:   this is a borrow word, not a Turkish one

   Addition:     saya (pasture, field)

>Sumerian:       dug3 396,10/11 (good, healthy, optimal)
>Turkish:        tekmil (completion)

   Correction:   this is a borrow word, not a Turkish one

   Addition:     dog~ (to be born, to rise)
                 dog~+ru (straight, right, true, good)
                 dog~+ruk (zenith, highest point)
                 du"g~ (to close, to celebrate)
                 tu"k (whole, hair, feather)

>Sumerian:       dah 169,3/10 (one follows, by someone)
>Sakha Turk:     doçor (member, partner)

   Addition:     dak (append, follow)

>Sumerian:       kud 12,19 (city, hamlet)
>Old Turkish:    qadas^ (relative, relation, troop, brother)
                 
>Sumerian:       kad4 (to bind)
>Turkish:        kat- (weave)

   Addition:     kat  (to add, to harden)

>Sumerian:       bad3 152^8,7 (deathly ill, sickly)
>Old Turkish:    bed- (it weakens)

>Sumerian:       pa 295,11 (summit, peak)
>Turkish:        bas, (head)

>Sumerian:       bu 371,25 (to blow)
>Turkish:        pfle- (")

   Addition:     bag~Ir (chest, lungs, to yell)
                 bog~anak (wind)

>Sumerian:       zub 60^x,4 (to flow, rain)
>Uigur Turk:     c^ip-c^ip (onomatopaeia of dripping water - "drip-drip")

   Addition:     suv (water)

>Sumerian:       ki 461,21 (who)
>Turkish:        ki (")

>Sumerian:       kur2 60,34 (circle)
>Turkish:        kresel (spherical)

   Correction:   this is a borrow word, not a Turkish one

>Sumerian:       kas^ 211a,2 (urine)
>Turkish:        huysuzluk (bile)
>Old Turkish:    qas^an- (be urinating)

   Correction:   "huysuzluk" is a borrow word, not a Turkish one

   Comment:      ka$an - current spelling

>Sumerian:       kud 536,4 (to throw, to place, to allow)
>Turkish:        koy- (")

>Sumerian:       s^ita 233,15/442,2 (to bind)
>Turkish:        ciltlemek (to bind)

   Correction:   this is a borrow word, not a Turkish one

   Addition:     çit (to bind, to join, to get entangled)

>Sumerian:       has^ 12,78 (be bending)
>Turkish:        kayma‡ (slant-eyed)

   Addition:     ka$ (eyebrow, arch)

>Sumerian:       hir 401,9 (picture)
>Turkish:        kertik (notch, gash, score)

>Sumerian:       has^ 12,70/73 (to cut, to split)
>Turkish:        kesmek (to cut)

>Sumerian:       uh 398,6/17 (to spew, to vomit)
>Turkish:        ”ksrmek (to cough)

   Addition:     o"g~+urmek (to make vomiting noise)
                 aksIr+mak (to sneeze)

>Sumerian:       sil(a) 12,117 (to split, to cut up)
>Teleut Turk:    s^IlI (it cuts)

>Sumerian:       sig 592,10/19 (small, little)
>Turkish:        -‡ak (diminutive suffix)

>Sumerian:       sag2 295,100a (to strike, to hit)
>Turkish:        ‡arpmak (to strike)

>Sumerian:       hus 565,58 (to drive)
>Osmanli Turk:   qos^u (wagon, coach)

   Addition:     ko$ (the verb means: to hitch, to ride, to run)

>Sumerian:       s^ag 384,118/9 (to sigh, a sigh)
>Teleut Turk:    s“zI- (")

   Addition:     sag~u (wail, lament)

>Sumerian:       s^ag 384,2 (word)
>Turkish:        s”v (")

>Sumerian:       s^e 367,58d (to eat)
>Turkish:        yemek (to eat)

   Comment:      The verb is "ye", no need for participle form

>Sumerian:       s^ug 367,11/2 (big, be big, much)
>Turkish:        ‡ok (lots)

   Addition:     çIg~ (avalanche)
                 çIg~Il (a big crowd)

>Sumerian:       s^eg8 551,4 (frost, ice, cold)
>Turkish:        sog^ut (cold)

   Addition:     çig~ (frost, dew)

>Sumerian:       us^ 4 536,26 (mind, intellect)
>Turkish:        us (intelligence)

>Sumerian:       as^ 2 339,8 (to long for, to want)
>Turkish:        istemek (to want, to desire)

>Sumerian:       gis^ 296,16 (hand)
>Turkish:        kuuvet (strength, power)

   Correction:   this is a borrow word, not a Turkish one

   Addition:     karI$ (span of a flat/open hand)

>Sumerian:       zal 231,16 (also: sal, s^al) (to see) 
                 ?????

>Sumerian:       zal(ag) 393,5 (be lighted, star, to shine)
>Kyrgyz Turk:    s^olpan (Morning Star, Venus)

   Addition:     yal (flame, shine, light)
                 I$Il (shine, light)

>Sumerian:       zir 84,108 (suffering, hurt)
>Turkish:        sIzI (ache, pain)

>Sumerian:       izi 172,11/17/13 (fire, oven, ash, to flame up)
>Kyrgyz Turk:    issyk (warm)

   Addition:     IsI   (heat)
                 is    (soot)
                 issi  (suffocating heat, scorching hot)

>Sumerian:       izi 172.159 (sour)
>Turkish:        eks,i (")

   Addition:     yig~si (unplesant smell)

>Sumerian:       zig 84,45 (to raise oneself, to get oneself up)
>Turkish:        ‡Ikmak (to go out, to move out, to graduate)

   Addition:     çIk (to climb)

>Sumerian:       ri 86,41,74 (to fly)
>Kyrgyz Turk:    erb„ng (unsupportable, cannot stand up)

>Sumerian:       sir3 152,3(also: sur, s^ar, sing, song, compose music)
>Turkish:        s,arkI (song)

   Comment:      I don't believe this is a Turkish word

   Addition:     çIg~Ir / çag~Ir (to call, to sing)

>Sumerian:       er 50,7 (also: ir, ur) (man, manly)
>Turkish:        er (man, male)

>Sumerian:       bar 74,100 (to frighten oneself, to scare)
>Turkish:        perva (")

   Correction:   can this be verified as a Turkish word?

>Sumerian:       ur2 203,7 (underground, ground)
>Turkish:        alt (bottom)

   Addition:     ura (easily tilled soil)
                 yer (ground)

>Sumerian:       ma 342,98b/10 (also: ma-da) (land, earth, homeland)
>Uigur Turk:     budun (folk, people)

>Sumerian:       ma 233,2 (to go)
>Old Turkish:    man- (")

>Sumerian:       ma3 233,3a (I)
>Turkish:        ben (I)

>Sumerian:       eme 237,2 (also: ama) (mother)
>Turkish:        ana (mother) emcik (nipple) emmek (to suck)

   Addition:     eme (aunt)

>Sumerian:       gam 362,6 (it bends over)
>Turkish:        kemer (arch, vault)

>Sumerian:       na 97,4 (be named, call)
>Turkish:        nam (")

   Possible??:   an  (to call, to be called, to recall/remember)

>Finnish:        omen (apple)
>Turkish:        elma (")

   Comment:      alma (apple, older/alternate spelling)

>Sumerian:       du3 230,19 (known, experienced, knowledge)
>Turkish:        tanImak (to know)

   Comment:      dan (to find, to know [older spelling])

   Addition:     duy (to hear, to sense, to feel)
                 du"$ (to think, to dream)

> ------------------------------------------

MK
+ - Re: The Anatomy of a Historical Conflict: Romanian-Hung (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

---------------- Forward to Hungarian discussion lists ---------------------

From  Thu Dec 19 13:09:33 1996
Reply-To: 
Originator: 
Sender: 
To: Multiple recipients of list >
Subject: Re: RO-HU reconciliation was: statement of Hungarian political parties
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
X-Comment: Romanian Lobby Distribution List
X-Status:
 
 
 
On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Peter Kovalszki wrote:
 
> > Personal cred ca e nevoie de mult mai mult decit de o schimbare de guvern
> > pentru reconcilierea intre natiunile romana si maghiara.
>
> Absolut de acord!
>
>
> > Ar trebui vazut care este platforma la care intelectualii onesti din cele
> > doua tabere ar putea conveni in privinta disputelor istorice privind
> > Transilvania.
>
> Foarte dificila-ar fi bine de lasat pe seama istoricilor
 
I am not sure that this issue should be left only on historians shoulders.
It seems to me that the document put by Ted Lungu on
  http://www.netside.net/romanian_lobby/anatomy.htm
shows that nationalistic fervor can be generated by Intelligentsia's
cultural patterns. I think that often historians provide only ammunition
to cultural ideologies.
 
That's why I wasn't suggesting a dialog on historic technicalities
regarding Transylvania. I wasn't suggesting for both sides to agree to
one precise version of history.
I was refering more to general historical views (or myths if you like).
 
 
I will give some examples. Can we negotiate an acceptable point of view
on histroic stereotypes like:
 
Hu: Hungarians came first in Transylvania while Romanians sneaked in
    afterwards.
 
Ro: Transylvania was always a Romanian land conquered by savage asian tribes.
 
Hu: Transylvanian civilisation is solely due to the aristochratic Hungarian
    culture. Romanian people has a minor contribution being an inferior
    rural culture.
 
Ro: Romanians are the descendants of pure and noble Dacian and Roman stock.
 
Hu: Under Hungarian rule all nationalities lived happy and free.
 
Ro: Hungarians savagely exploited and crushed the aspiration of Romanians
    in Transylvania. Romanians always treated well their minorities.
 
etc...
 
 
If we could agree for a common view on this kind of issues it could be an
important contribution to an "ideology of reconciliation".
 
In my opnion if we don't tackle those sensitive issues we will not have
a healthy base on which to build a new Romanian-Hungarian relationship.
And the recent momentum will be simply a "momentum" that will rapidly
vanish.
 
Regards,
 
Cristian Alb
+ - Re: translation help!! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  says...
>
>Szervusz!!
>
>I'm studying Hungarian and need help with some sentences.
>Could anyone please help me??
>
>Nem unatkozik, reggelt'öl estig jön-megy, t'argyal, lapkiad'okba j'ar.
>Rengeteg dolga van, nincs egyetlen szabad perce sem.
>
>S/he is not bored, comes and goes from dawn to dusk, visits newspaper 
houses.  S/he is very busy and hasn't got a free moment.

(Please note that there is no gender differenciation in Hungarian)

Regards, Agnes
+ - Re: Antw: Navo is a political dwarf (was Re: Thanks Hu (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:34:16 GMT,  (god almighty)
wrote:

 (Ania Oleksik) wrote:

>->On 8 Dec 1996 21:29:01 -0800, BeeJay > wrote:

>->(Michel Couzijn wrote:)

[snip]

>->Agreed. What makes you believe I determine the value of your post on
>->the basis of your title (if any)? It is the other way around: I
>->thought I could comment on your academic title on the basis of what
>->you wrote. Perfectly legitimate, I would say. I hope the subject
>->'academic title' is not taboo for you. I tells something (read this
>->word again: SOMEthing) about how clever you are. PhD's cannot be
>->bought for fifteen bucks, you know. But then again, there are lots of
>->PhD's with silly thoughts and no feeling for cynicism. 
>->Take me as an example.

>Yeah, cool anotherone who makes publicity out of her stupid PhD.

his

[snip]

>It has nothing to do with the number of  inhabitants per square miles.
>In the Sahara, they have 125* less inhabitants per square mile and
>they don't have any immigration only emi.
>It has to do with the outside conditions. The human parameters are
>playing a crucial role.

Could You, in Thy infinite wisdom, elaborate on the distinct
differences between the Dutch and American 'human parameters' ?
Being of a wholly holy nature, Thou have not to shun any prejudicial
statements.

[snip]

>->Three kinds of lies. Learn about them. Disraeli. 
>->I said you should relate that number to the size of the country - not
>->merely its number of inhabitants. Would you say that a 1000 km2
>->country with 1000 inhabitants can absorb as many refugees as a 10.000
>->km2 country with the same number (1000) of inhabitants? No. That's why
>->I related it to the density of the population.

>Wrong the density is not a reason. It's not total irrelevant. But look
>to the third world countries, the population is moving to the cities. 
>So they are moving where the density is the highest.

They are moving where they hope or expect to find a better/wealthier
life. If the economy shifts to a rural pattern (when importance of
food supplies > industrial activity), there will be a migration to the
countryside.

Density is a consequence, not a motive.

[snip]

>->>In other words, when it comes to security, there's not much else to look fo
r
>->>besides the US. Do you know any better alternative?
>
>->Yes, call me naive, but I still believe in the possibility of a UN
>->super police force. The U.S. can participate, of course, I would love
>->them to, but they really should pay their contribution in time.
>
>->Michel Couzijn
>->Amsterdam, The Netherlands
>
>
>God Almighty


Didier (who isn't an ir. nor a PhD, and doesn't make a big fuss about
it)
+ - Re: genealogy - Borschi (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

AQJim wrote:
> 
> My family name is Borschi and my family came over here in 1956, after
> living in Germany for about 11 years.  Before that they were in Hungary
> for a year or so and before that they lived in Croatia.  Even before that,
> my great-grandparents were from Hungary and their name was Borschi, but,
> as you can tell, the World Wars kind of messed everything up.  Records
> burned and destroyed and I would really like to know more about this side
> of my family, so if you can please help me.
> 
> 

There is a rare Hungarian family name Borsi [bohrshee]. 
Borschi looks like the German spelling of the same word. 

J. Varga
+ - Re: Air plane tickets to New York for sale (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Sajnos a helyzet meg ennel is rosszabb. Amiota a  terrorizmustol valo
felelem (joggal ) eluralkodott, mar a befoldi jaratokon is igazolvanyt
(photo ID-t) kernek es vegigkerdezik, a "sajat maga csomagolt-e, adott-e
valaki csomagot onnek", stb.
rutint. Igy nemigen lehet olcso jegyet venni azoktol, akik nem tudnak
utazni, vagy pl. azoktol a diakoktol akik azert vettek meg a Thanksgiving
jegyeket joelore hogy 
eladhassak oket.
    
                              ----------------------------------------

The situation is even worse than that. Since the fear of domestic and/or
international terrorism proved to be real,  most of the airports operate
on
the highest security level and you need a photo ID on domestic flights
too.  They also ask you all the quetions about your luggage being in your
possession 
all the time, etc. Unfortunately (at least  for me :-) there is no more
chance to buy cheap tickets from those, who had to change thair plans or
from students who had bought tickets for Thanksgiving well in advance just
for being able to sell them. 

Cheers,

Haliho
+ - Re: 80-YEAR SECRECY STAMP (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Charles M. Vamossy > wrote:
>
>If the information is in fact strategic and would do irreparable harm
>to Hungary, so be it.  If it shields living persons from investigation
>and possible criminal prosecution or political backlash, then I think
>it is wrong.  
>
>By the way:  who is supervising the classification?  Is Nikolits acting
>purely on his own accord?

Charlie,
this guy seems to be saying: "I've got the power to classify, so I
classify.  There is nothing anybody can do about it."

Joe
+ - Re: Ordinary Magyars - US Racial Dictionary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, 
 says...
>
Is this a joke, or a parody?

Agnes

>Ordinary Magyars in U.S. Racial Dictionary - History
>
>MAGYAR  Hungarian, Hun or Hunyak in popular language. The race
>of Finno-Tatar origin, that invaded Hungary about the ninth century
>and is now dominant there. Often called  Hungarian  although this is
>more properly a political than an ethnological term and may be
>applied also to that half of the population of Hungary that is not
>Magyar.   Huns  and  Hunkies  are names still more incorrectly
>applied to this race and to Slavs indiscriminately is some parts of
>America. The Huns, properly speaking, were a horde that overran parts
>of Europe in the middle ages  and are supposed to be more closely
>represented by the modern Kalmuks or Turks than by the Magyars. 
>  The  Hunagars: and  Mogars  and other elements of what is now
>called Hungary. ... Thus it is that the Magyars, together with the 
Finns,
>are the foremost branches of the Mongolian race, as measured by
>western Civilization. As it has been said elsewhere, the Magyars are
>related linguistically to the Turks and the Japanese.
>   From 1899 to 1910, inclusive, 338,151 Magyar immigrants were
>admitted to the United States. This number was exceeded by only nine
>other races or peoples during the period, and was far ahead of any
>other people that is Mongolian in origin. Like most eastern Europeans
>the Magyars go to industrial States. During the twelve years
>considered, 106,641 were destined to Pennsylvania. 64,201 to New
>York, 55433 to Ohio, and 54,119 to New Jersey.
>MAGYAR-Slovak (See Slovak),
>
>Source: U.S. Senate 61st Congress 3rd Session Document No. 662
>Presented Mr Dillingham December 5, 1901 referred to the Committee
>on Immigration and order to be printed, with illustrations
>Washington Government Printing Office 1911
>
>T.
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+ - Re: recepie for langos (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  says...
>
>Honfitarsak:
>Gyomrom kovetel langost amit nem ettem csak egyszer az elmult
>negyven ev alatt. (Ot evvel ezelott amikor Szentendren voltunk,
>akkor ettunk a csaladdal es mindenkinek izlett.) Nagyon kerem
>valakit hogy irja meg a receptjet. Elore is koszonom.
>
>Aradi Peter
>Tulsa, OK USA

>
>Please send me a receipe for the Hungarian "langos" or fry bread.
>Thank you in advance.

Kedves Peter, a legegyszerubb langost csinalni friss pizza tesztabol, 
amit - legalabbis nalunk Torontoban - majdnem minden supermarketben lehet 
kapni.  Tehat, a friss "pizza dough"-t kinyujtani, majd forro olajban 
vilagos barnara kisutni.  Sozni, fokhagymaval bedorzsolni es gyorsan 
talalni.  Jo etvagyat!

Agnes
+ - Re: Dead end road to NATO and EU (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Charles M. Vamossy ) wrote:
: Unlike Romania, whose prospects to enter NATO and EU have brightened by
: Emil Constaninescu's friendly gestures toward Romania's Hungarian
: ethnic minority, Slovakia's political leadership  seems to be
: determined to cast off whatever goodwill and support they may have in
: the West.

You must not have heard of the theory that it is the West that is
conspiring against Slovakia... :-)))))

: It's sad... By trying to hurt the 600,000 Hungarian Slovaks
: they end up damaging the prospects for a decent life of millions of
: Slovaks. Like cutting off your nose to spite your face...

Not surprising when you consider that they already cut off their
heads to spite their bodies when they split Czechoslovakia...
+ - Re: Antw: Navo is a political dwarf (was Re: Thanks Hu (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (Didier Moens) zwalpte het volgende uit:

->On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:34:16 GMT,  (god almighty)
->wrote:

 (Ania Oleksik) wrote:

->>->On 8 Dec 1996 21:29:01 -0800, BeeJay > wrote:

->>->(Michel Couzijn wrote:)

->[snip]

->>->Agreed. What makes you believe I determine the value of your post on
->>->the basis of your title (if any)? It is the other way around: I
->>->thought I could comment on your academic title on the basis of what
->>->you wrote. Perfectly legitimate, I would say. I hope the subject
->>->'academic title' is not taboo for you. I tells something (read this
->>->word again: SOMEthing) about how clever you are. PhD's cannot be
->>->bought for fifteen bucks, you know. But then again, there are lots of
->>->PhD's with silly thoughts and no feeling for cynicism. 
->>->Take me as an example.

->>Yeah, cool anotherone who makes publicity out of her stupid PhD.

->his

->[snip]

->>It has nothing to do with the number of  inhabitants per square miles.
->>In the Sahara, they have 125* less inhabitants per square mile and
->>they don't have any immigration only emi.
->>It has to do with the outside conditions. The human parameters are
->>playing a crucial role.

->Could You, in Thy infinite wisdom, elaborate on the distinct
->differences between the Dutch and American 'human parameters' ?
->Being of a wholly holy nature, Thou have not to shun any prejudicial
->statements.

Should read the text a little more carefully. When making statements
about God.
Human parameters are human!!!

->[snip]

->>->Three kinds of lies. Learn about them. Disraeli. 
->>->I said you should relate that number to the size of the country - not
->>->merely its number of inhabitants. Would you say that a 1000 km2
->>->country with 1000 inhabitants can absorb as many refugees as a 10.000
->>->km2 country with the same number (1000) of inhabitants? No. That's why
->>->I related it to the density of the population.

->>Wrong the density is not a reason. It's not total irrelevant. But look
->>to the third world countries, the population is moving to the cities. 
->>So they are moving where the density is the highest.

->They are moving where they hope or expect to find a better/wealthier
->life. If the economy shifts to a rural pattern (when importance of
->food supplies > industrial activity), there will be a migration to the
->countryside.

->Density is a consequence, not a motive.

Moens you should read better, you're assuming to much.
The density is higher in the cities because of better food conditions,
industial activity.....in the cities.


->[snip]

->>->>In other words, when it comes to security, there's not much else to look 
for
->>->>besides the US. Do you know any better alternative?
->>
->>->Yes, call me naive, but I still believe in the possibility of a UN
->>->super police force. The U.S. can participate, of course, I would love
->>->them to, but they really should pay their contribution in time.
->>
->>->Michel Couzijn
->>->Amsterdam, The Netherlands
->>
->>
->>God Almighty


->Didier (who isn't an ir. nor a PhD, and doesn't make a big fuss about
->it)
I agree with you moens.

God Almighty
+ - szeressuk egymast gyerekek (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Szeressuk egymast gyerekek !
Legyunk okosak, mert nem akarunk meg egy haborut. Figyeljuk meg a
Kozel-Keletet, figyeljuk meg az Egyesult Allamokat, Bosznia Hercegovina,
stb. Mindenhol a fajgyulolet, mire mennek vele ? Mi mire megyunk vele ?
+ - California scholars discover language is all Genetic! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

California scholars discover language is all GENETIC!

Recently accepted and approved in California is the scientific
premise that all language skills are genetic -  hard wired  and
Africans cannot be expected to function in English since their
brains are wired differently than the English brain.

Africans will now be entitled to government money to study
English in their own language - something called Ebonics.

Americans of Slavic background can also be observed to be
hardwired genetically to experience syntax difficulties with the
Queen s English. And, many Slavs get absolutely hysterical when
they hear WASP words like: Frog, Polak, Jap, Heine, Wop, Wog,
etc. - freezing their brain s capacity to form words.

The most commonly known proof of the Ebonics problem is
evidenced when Africans attempt to conjugate the verb form  to
be  instead of  I am, he is, you are, etc.  Africans are hard wired,
genetically, to think 

Ebonics form:  I be,  He be, You be, They be, It be .
Or:     I is, You is, They is 

If the California African language pilot program proves successful
perhaps all WOGs (Americans of Central & Eastern European
descent) could also obtain government money to learn in WOG
English the Queen s syntax and pejorative - and even become a
toesucker?

T.
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+ - Will aol honor "magyar s" request to Censor Senate s Di (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Polak  vs.  Polack  - Still Confused?

Certain persons on the Internet are still confusing the words
 Polack  v.  Polak  and asking aol to censor the word form.

Once again. Ann Landers (the etiquette and personality lady) &
Mike Royko of Chicago media fame have recognized that some
uninformed (perhaps uneducated in America) persons confuse the
words  Polak  vs.  Polack .

Ann Landers referred to the pope as a  Polak  as one who  hates
women . Mike Royko explained Ann Slander s definition that the
Polish people really do hate women and  he [Mike Royko] likes to
be called Polak  and suggested that other Polish people that they be
proud to be called Polak - an honorable name in Chicago!

  The U.S. Senate s racial dictionary for immigration purposes
differentiates between  Polack  which IS an English pejorative
(like Frog, Wog, Wop, etc) and  Polak  which IS the official
intellectual definition, for immigration purposes, for the Polish
people s and their unacceptability to become Americans of the
Aryan/WASP type, even differentiating among  Polak types  such
as  water-Polaks  versus slave (Slav) Polaks from Slovakia - the
hill  Polaks  who are actually Moravian  magyarized  Poles.

Still got a problem? Write to Ann Slanders; maybe she can esplain
it to you more better?

Torski

 
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