In article >,
 > wrote:
| English-speaking readers of this list may need to be advised of the
| well-documented fact that "Eva S. Balogh" is a pathological liar whose
| false accusations and anti-Hungarian hate-mongering deserves
| zero credibility. Proof:
| 
| detect that in her blatant anti-Hungarian zeal to smear Hungarians with the
| false accusation of rampant anti-semitism, she does not even refrain from
| stupid mathematical forgery (as the 46% she claims is mathematically erroneou
s;
| based on the numbers quoted the figure could not be higher than 12% and
| can be as low as 4%).

HOw can this be a forgery? It is not even that you are not
giving her the benefit of the doubt, but the above just
cannot be classified as forgery. Mistake yes Forgery - no.
| 
| (1) Although she claims to be a "historian" went consistently public with the
| outrageous anti-Hungarian defamation that the 1956 Revolution and Freedom-
| Fight is NOT (I repeat, she stated NOT) called in Hungarian "Freedom Fight"!
| I took the time to specifically document at least 41 cases to dispell her
| flabbergasting lie that the entire Free World holds to be
untrue.

I don't see how it is anti-hungarian or defamation. What's
wrong with revolution -0 what October 1956 is most often
referred to? What in that description is defaming?


| 
| (2) She repeatedly claims on various lists of Internet that she is of fully
| mixed
| heritage, and never claims specific Hungarian identity, and appears to be pro
ud
| of excluding ANY Jewish ancestry on her part.  Thus, her judgement and
| autenticity
| of "antisemitism" is highly questionable. This is reinforced by the
| expressed restraint
| of Jews joining her zealous anti-Hungarian hate-mongering, as moderate Jews
| loyal

What's a moderate Jew? What is a moderate Christian? What is
an extreme Jew or extreme Christian?


| (3) Eva Balogh is extremely incompetent judging matters relating not only to
| Hungarian, but also to Jewish identity. Just a few days ago, she made the
| written, unbelievably stupid statement in the Internet-list HIX-Forum
| (written in the Hungarian language), that "Passover is Easter"!  It is proven
| beyond reasonable doubt, that Eva Balogh deserves no credibility at all eithe
r
| in Christian or Jewish matters, since she is ignorant in one, or in the other
,
| or (most likely) in both.

In what context was this statement made? Using is in
different contexts may mean different things. In fact this
statement may noit be inaccurate, but even if it is what
does that prove?  That  Eva Balogh is not aware of the
precise meaning of Jewish Holidays? In what way does that
discredit her opinion about other matters rhat may have to
do with Jews or Christians? 


| (4) It is highly suspicious that Eva Balogh heats up her anti-Hungarian hate-
| mongering precisely at the time when Ilona Stolmar reports on the fact that
| Gabor Elek published in scm, without any permission, a private letter of Ilon
a
| Stolmar, invading her privacy, moreover the letter she claims was obtained
| by the US federal crime of breaking into a computer in her household. Who els
e
| but an accomplice in the crime of breaking into a computer would mindlessly
| handwave with false accusations, disregarding any harm that she inflicts on
| moderate Jews loyal to Hungary?


Again I am not sure what the term moderate Jew means.  Also
I have yet to see any hate mongering coming from Eva Balogh
against Hungarians. 


| (5) The frequency and seriousness of offenses against Hungarian Christianity
| must be alarming to everyone. In fact, even in this list, when Minister of
| Hungarian Protestant Church of San Francisco and Neighborhood Jeno
| Katona published a political proclamation, he was descpicably attacked and
| verbally abused in front of all of us -- and in spite of expressed demand to
| remedy the offense, the offender did not even reveal its identity. When such
| severe offenses are committed day by day, it is not only the right but the
| duty of victims to contemplate, and QUESTION the identity (or lack of) the
| offenders.

I don't see how ths ha s anyuthing to do with Eva Balogh. In
fact I am not sure what this has do with anything discussed
here at all..

So now I get dragged into this shit?  I wasn't aware that having a sense 
of humor causes one to have no self respect.  It was my first day on this 
list when I (not realizing how little of the hungarian culture is 
actually discussed here) responded to that not even thinking about how I 
*should be* offended.  I would go on and on about "my husband this and my 
husband that" and all the other tired things that have been thrown about 
(yawn) but I have nothing to prove.  Don't drag others into your tired 
conversation unless you want them to respond.  

I guess it must suck having that much time on your hands.  Poor thing.

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Brigitta Bali foolishly remarked with:

>  (Gabor Barsai)barfs:
> :In article >,
> :Brigitta Bali > moans from lust :
> :>In article >
> : (Gabor Barsai) lies:
> :>:In article >,
> :>:Brigitta Bali > lusts:
> :>: (Gabor Barsai) flirts:
> :>:>> OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhh, you're sick. I like that in a woman.
> :>:>
> :>:><yawn> You're witless and unoriginal.<yawn> I hate that in a man.<yawn>
> :>:
> :>:Such intentional uninterest can only mean one thing: you want me, you
> :>:old dog
> :>
> :>Regardless, you remain witless </yawn> and unoriginal </yawn>. Read Wally
> :
> :Regardless? So you do want me...
> 
> As you can all see. Gabor Barsai is a witless bonehead. Joe and Wally and
> myself are right about him -- he is a misogynist dork incapable of the
> courage and intelligence to realize that a woman's no is NO. At any rate,
> Goober, why not shake it at Anna Smith, she's a self-declared "chick", and
> leave us self-respecting women alone
> 
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Peter Szaszvari > wrote:
>Tisztan szakmai erdeklodes: Hogyan kell betorni egy telefonon internetbe logo 
>haziszamitogepbe? Ha bizalmas, a mailcimemre kernem a valaszt, megigerem nem 
>adom tovabb.

Ez valoszinuleg tul magas egy chiropractornak.
De azert ez nem akadalyozott meg abban, hogy allast foglalj, igaz?

>Vagy csak egy nyilvanos ragalmazas lenne ez?

Es akkor meg te panaszkodsz arra, hogy hulyenek neznek?

PJ

In article >, sodrem > wrote:
>
>I take offense to your letter never the less. I am sick and tired of
>you and others badmouthing hungarian jews. I am proud to be hungarian,
>my ancestors were all hungarian and jewish going back hundreds of years. 

Granted, but how about NOT sidetracking this issue from its original
point, the breaking into one's account? 

Joe Pannon

Istvan Szucs > wrote:
>
>I have seen NO evidence however (not even circumstantial)
>that Elek Gabor would have been the hacker. He merely
>published it. If I now go ahead and republish it would that
>mean that I hacked?

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I, too, didn't think that Elek
committed the break-in himself.  However, he proved himself to posess
stolen property and as such he is a "fencer".  I think he could be held
liable from that angle, if not for a proven break-in.

>Furthermore the account of what happened  according to Ms
>Stolmar seems improbable as well. If the computer was indeed
>a computer connected through a modem and used periodically
>to access a University system than it does sound improbable
>that that system would have been  hacked into. 

This is pretty silly premis in the first place.  I don't know where do
you (and others) get the idea, that the break-in had to be to a home PC
through the modem.  To me, at least, the default assumption is that
anybody using his home PC to dial into the Internet does it through his
or her account on a host node on the Internet, using the PC only as a
dummy terminal emulator.  So the account is NOT on the PC, but on a
university (or commercial) computer!  That's where the break-in must
have happened.

>What eis ven more troublesome for me than Ilona Stolmar
>publicly and openly accusing Gabr Elek without evidence is -

What other evidence do you need than his bragging about it himself?
You really don't think that Ilona CC'd a copy to him, do you?
If you knew Elek from the Internet as long as I have, you knew him as a
pathalogical bragger about some special information, not normally known
to even the knowledgeable audience on the HIX FORUM. This was just
another of those braggings, which, however, went just a bit too far.

>and this has unfortunately become common practive - washing
>together unrelated events. She doesn't make any open
>statements to link Jews to the church break-ins, but she
>implicitly connects them. The same approach is used by

Oh, I see the tactics developing here: "let's talk about some side
issue, right?"  If the tactics worked in saving the hide of the former
communist elite in Hungary, it just might work here, too."

Joe

Laszlo Horvath  > wrote:

>The lesson to be drawn from Mr. Fodor's wisdom: little knowledge combined 
>with ideological bigotry leads to wrong comparison and silly conclusions.

So was your lecturing him about totally subjective matters.

Joe Pannon

Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>Yes I did write that poem -- long long time ago.
>Here's another one which I wrote several years after my father's suicide.
>I was 12 when he did it. He suffered from war dreams -- WWII.
>
>(from the book entitled:
>Walking on the Greenhouse Roof, 1969, Delta Canada Press
>by Wally Keeler)
>
>PRAYER FOR MY FATHER
>====================

Thanks, Wally, for letting us know your other side.  I hope it does not
belong to the past only.  This poem was very moving.  That tragedy must
have been quite hard to bear for someone so young.  I don't wish it to
my worst enemies.

Regards,
Joe

I don't know if this article is entirely appropriate to this
newsgroup, but I am looking for the romanized spelling of the
numbers 0 through 20 in your language.  Your help would be
appreciated.

Thanks!
Mike
--
a person who speaks many languages -- multilingual 
a person who speaks two languages  -- bilingual
a person who speaks one language   -- American

 (Gabriël Vandewalle) wrote:
 wrote:
>
>>I love you in China Henan Province:
>
>>wo3 zhong1 yi4 ni3
>
>In Dutch
>
>Ik hou van jou.


In Irish=

Ta gra agam ort

> 
Enike >Anna Smith Wrote:
|So now I get dragged into this shit?  

Listen honeybuns, you weren't dragged in. As I recall you willingly stepped
into it by answering Gabor Barsai"s moose mating call: Here chick, chick
chick chick, here chick chick chick.

|I wasn't aware that having a sense of humor causes one to have no self
|respect.  

So listen chick, how come you lost your sense of humour...

|It was my first day on this list when I (not realizing how little of the
|hungarian culture is actually discussed here) responded to that not even
|thinking about how I *should be* offended. 

.... on this your second posting. My my what a short wick we have here.

|I would go on and on about "my husband this and my husband that" ...

I don't think Goober is interested in this.

|...and all the other tired things ...

What, your husband is a tired thing -- that could be Goober's opening.

|... that have been thrown about (yawn) 

So you abuse your husband. I think Goober will love you more.

|...but I have nothing to prove.

Of course you have nothing. We can all see that chicks don't have that sort
of thing.

|Don't drag others into your tired conversation unless you want them to
|respond.  

You did respond didn't you? First to Goober's mating call, then to
Brigitta's reply to Goober.

|I guess it must suck having that much time on your hands.  Poor thing.

I love having time to squander. Sure beats slaving at a lousy 9-2-5 job.
Is that what you do? Poor chick.
-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

Hi,

I was born in Budapest, Hungary, and now live in Seattle. I'd like to find
penpals in Budapest who would be interested in chatting about Hungary in
English. (My Hungarian is not so good anymore.)So, if you're interested, please
drop me a line.

Zoltan Abraham

In article >, 
 says:
>
>English-speaking readers of this list may need to be advised of the
>well-documented fact that "Eva S. Balogh" is a pathological liar whose
>false accusations and anti-Hungarian hate-mongering deserves
>zero credibility. Proof:
>>>Only a few days ago BLA electronic news service reported the findings of the
>>Hungarian Gallup Institute concerning antisemitism in Hungary on the basis
>>of voting patterns. The results are as follows. The question inquired about
>>"dislike of Jews," "nem kedveli a zsidokat." The list is as follows. KFGP
>>voters = 12%; KDNP voters = 11%, MSZD voters = 7%; MDF voters = 6%;
>>FIDESZ voters = 6%;l SZDSZ voters = 4%. One's first reaction is: that's not
>>too bad. But then add up these percentages to get the reaction of all voters:
>>it is 46%.
>>English-speaking readers with reasonable skills of elementary school math
>detect that in her blatant anti-Hungarian zeal to smear Hungarians with the
...........(DELETED..)Could not be higher than 12% and
>can be as low as 4%).
>>Once Eva Balogh went public with such a blatantly untrue accusation against
>Hungarians at large, one is fully justified to ponder on her motifs to do so.
WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WEEKS AGO, SHE MADE AN HONEST MISTAKE. 
YOU ARE "BEATING A DEAD DOG" AS THEY SAY HERE IN THE US. 
>.... she harbors hatred agains Hungarians.
THAT IS OUTRIGHT SLANDER!
>(1) Although she claims to be a "historian" went consistently public with the
>outrageous anti-Hungarian defamation that the 1956 Revolution and Freedom-
>Fight is NOT (I repeat, she stated NOT) called in Hungarian "Freedom Fight"!
SZAVAKON LOVAGOL - - REVOLUTION/FORRADALOM IS ANOTHER WORD FOR THE 
OVERTHROW (OF GOVERNMENT) AND IS AN ARMED APPRISING WHICH ALSO IS KNOWN 
AS A FREEDOM FIGHT.
SO WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM? 
>I took the time to specifically document at least 41 cases to dispell her
>flabbergasting lie that the entire Free World holds to be untrue.
SO, HOW DID YOU "DISPELL" HER "FLABBERGASTING LIE" IN THE FRONT OF THE
ENTIRE FREE WORLD....MUST HAVE BEEN QUITE AN UNDERTAKING!
>>(2) She repeatedly claims on various lists of Internet that she is of fully
>mixed
>heritage, and never claims specific Hungarian identity, and appears to be prou
d
>of excluding ANY Jewish ancestry on her part.  Thus, her judgement and.....
YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE AS IF THEY WERE, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, DOGS AND YOU ARE
LISTING THEIR PEDIGREES (LINEAGE, DERIVATION, MIXED HERITAGE ETC.,). 
YOU COULD NOT BE SURE OF YOUR OWN LINEAGE GOING BACK HUNDREDS OF YEARS
EITHER. HUNGARIANS ARE NOT "PURE". WE ARE ALL HUNGARIANS AND LOOK DIFFERENT
FROM THE "ARIAN" TYPE.  
>of Jews joining her zealous anti-Hungarian hate-mongering, as moderate Jews
>to Hungary know full well that her excesses would be highly decrimental to
>their own interest 
DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH....    HAHAHAHAA, HAHAHAHAA <------I DID THAT TO THE 
TUNE OF BEETHOVEN'S FIFTH. TRY IT, IT IS VERY FUNNY.
>Jews themselves consider her a mindless, stupid provocator (at least one
AGAIN, THIS IS A FABRICATION. MY GOOD MAN, I THINK YOU ARE THE REAL
HATE-HAWKER. 
>(3) Eva Balogh is extremely incompetent judging matters relating not only to
>Hungarian, but also to Jewish identity. Just a few days ago, she made the
>written, unbelievably stupid statement in the Internet-list HIX-Forum
(SO WHAT...WE SOMETIMES CALL IT "HUSVET" AT HOME, EVEN THOUGH IT IS 
REALLY PESACH...WHAT YOU GONNA DO, WHAT YOU GONA DO......)
I AM DYING TO KNOW , WHAT IS A "MODERATE JEW". IS THERE ALSO A
MODERATE LUTHERAN, MODERATE CATHOLIC, MODERATE BUDDHIST ETC.,?
VERY-VERY INTERESTING...
4) It is highly suspicious that Eva Balogh heats up her anti-Hungarian hate-
>mongering precisely at the time when Ilona Stolmar reports on the fact that
>Gabor Elek published in scm, without any permission, a private letter of Ilona
>Stolmar, invading her privacy, moreover the letter she claims was obtained
NOW, MY FAVORITE SUBJECT; ILONA STOLMAR MELTOSAGOS ASSZONY! I AM SICK AND
TIRED OF HER DISJOINTED DISCOURSE ON THE NET. NOTHING MS. STOLMAR SAYS
MAKES ANY SENSE, BUT ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN, SHE ALSO IS A HAWKER OF HATE.
( SNIP......)

IN CLOSING, I HOPE YOU WILL CLEAN UP YOUR ACT, STOP BEING
A HATEFUL PERSON AND RESPECT YOUR FELLOW MEN/WOMEN. WE ALL LIKE TO
BE PROUD OF OUR HUNGARIAN HERITAGE, OUR PLACE OF BIRTH AND OUR
PEOPLE. NOW, MAKE ME PROUD, STOP THIS DRIVEL!

MEP

Laszlo Horvath  > wrote:
>As to somebody having broken into her computer! It sounds improbable. 
>Even if it were technically feasible. What would be the motivation on the 
>part of the accused person? Her home isn't the Pentagon.

Really improbable?  Now how do you figure Elek obtained a copy of a
private e-mail then to which he was not a party?

Joe Pannon

Ugy tunik, hogy a siliconvalley.com geniusza megint epeomlest kapott.

 writes:

>verbally abused in front of all of us -- and in spite of expressed demand to
>remedy the offense, the offender did not even reveal its identity. When such
>severe offenses are committed day by day, it is not only the right but the
>duty of victims to contemplate, and QUESTION the identity (or lack of) the
>offenders.

Nagyon igaz: ennyi a magyarsagot lejarato balkani szinvonalu frocskolodes 
utan valoban legfobb ideje lenne utanajarni annak a pletykanak, hogy a 
siliconvalley.com tothjai es szucsei csupan egy szemely iroi alnevei.

Anto'ny Gyuri

Jugoszlaviai, Vajdasagi magyar egyetemistak es foiskolasok vegyetek reszt a Lie
gei 
"European Student Congress 96"-on (Liege, 1996 - november 18-22)! Bovebb inform
acio 
a http://www.ulg.ac.be/~fede/congress96/ cimen.

In article >,  () wrote:
[...]
>Es akkor meg te panaszkodsz arra, hogy hulyenek neznek?
>
>PJ

Nem arra panaszkodom kedves Jozsi, hogy hulyenek neznek, ez teljesen 
termeszetes, hanem arra, hogy ezt milyen unalmasan es semmitmondoan teszed.

Tudod Jozsi en az idom igen nagy hanyadaban szamitogepekkel foglalkozom, es 
eros a gyanum, hogy az idezett betores koholmany.

SzP.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

In article > Nagy Peter, snark@ writes:
>T. Kocsis: ha szepen kerlek, te is tartod magad ahhoz az iratlan
>szabalyhoz, hogy ide ekezet nelkul lovoldozod be a hozzaszolasaidat?

Nincs ilyen iratlan szabaly.

>Vedd eszre, te vagy joforman az egyetlen, aki keptelen erre. 

Nem en vagyok az egyetlen, mas is szokott ekezetesen irni, 
egyebkent en sem irok mindig ekezetesen.

A magyar nyelv ekezetes betuket is hasznal. Az internet
alkalmas ekezetes betuk hasznalatara. Akkor miert ne
hasznaljuk ?

Nagyon sajnalom, ha a geped nem alkalmas az ekezetes szo-
veg megemesztesere, de ezert nem fogom megvaltoztatni
irasi szokasaimat. Az ASCII elavult dolog, ha alkalmazkodunk
azokhoz, akik csak ezt tudjak hasznalni, sosem fog kikopni
az internetrol.

Ha a szolgaltatod a hibas, akkor nyaggassad. Ha a te geped
a ludas, akkor szerezd be a szukseges free- vagy  shareware
szoftvereket.

Tamás

In article >,  () wrote:
[...]

>This is pretty silly premis in the first place.  I don't know where do
>you (and others) get the idea, that the break-in had to be to a home PC
>through the modem.  To me, at least, the default assumption is that
>anybody using his home PC to dial into the Internet does it through his
>or her account on a host node on the Internet, using the PC only as a
>dummy terminal emulator.  So the account is NOT on the PC, but on a
>university (or commercial) computer!  That's where the break-in must
>have happened.

Tipical Pannon. May I remind you that the original post was speaking about the 
home computer? If somebody can not tell his/her computer from the one of the 
university, how can she/he accuse somebody with hacking?

[...]
>to even the knowledgeable audience on the HIX FORUM. This was just
It is you I guess :)

>another of those braggings, which, however, went just a bit too far.
>
>>and this has unfortunately become common practive - washing
>>together unrelated events. She doesn't make any open
>>statements to link Jews to the church break-ins, but she
>>implicitly connects them. The same approach is used by
>
>Oh, I see the tactics developing here: "let's talk about some side
>issue, right?"  If the tactics worked in saving the hide of the former
>communist elite in Hungary, it just might work here, too."

No it is not developing, it was the original post using this method, and you 
seem to like it as well.
>
>Joe
>
SzP.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

 (sodrem) wrote:

>(SO WHAT...WE SOMETIMES CALL IT "HUSVET" AT HOME, EVEN THOUGH IT IS 
>REALLY PESACH...WHAT YOU GONNA DO, WHAT YOU GONA DO......)
>I AM DYING TO KNOW , WHAT IS A "MODERATE JEW". IS THERE ALSO A
>MODERATE LUTHERAN, MODERATE CATHOLIC, MODERATE BUDDHIST ETC.,?
>VERY-VERY INTERESTING...

	First, thank you for writing the article. As far as calling
passover/pesach husvet in Hungarian, I didn't make a mistake. Mr.
"Szucs"-Pellionisz Andras can look it up in the Magyar Nyelv Ertelmezo
Szotara, under  entry "husvet." " Zsido husvet" is the official
Hungarian name of pesach/passover. I myself learned this only two
years ago when on the HUNGARY list there was a discussion about
something or other and someone asked what the Hungarian word was for
passover. The answer  was "zsido husvet." Still quite unbelieving I
looked it up in theh dictionary and behold, the person was right!
That's why I used it in the sentence: passover in English, pesach in
Hebrew and husvet in Hungarian.

	Thanks again, Eva Balogh

In article > Donata Guerra,
 writes:
>Why are Hungarian men often depicted in films as holding a cigarette 
>between thumb and index finger, often vertically.

Keine Ahnung.

In Hungarian movies the Soviet (ans Serb !) partisans used to smoke
that way. In Russian films you also may see such - even female - cha-
racters.
I always thought that that kinda smoking is tipical for communists,
and this is what they want to emphasize with it.

>It certainly is a sexy posture.

Is it  ? 

Tamás

Anyway, this movie is *shit*. I went to see it with friends because
of the Hungarian dialogs and i tell you i did not like it at all. I think
it is  pure stupidity that because of dirty language it considered a
cult or art movie.

 (sodrem) wrote:
>
>In article >,  (leslie 
howard) says:
>>
>>
>>What a team!
>>
>>I hear wedding bells!!!
>==========================================>
>
>I have the sneeking suspicion that they are one and the same people.
>What do you think?
>
>me
>
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Don't tell me the Vilage Idiot is getting married. And of all people... 
to himself!

DR. LASZLO

In article >,  > wrote:
>Laszlo Horvath  > wrote:
>>As to somebody having broken into her computer! It sounds improbable.
>>Even if it were technically feasible. What would be the motivation on the
>>part of the accused person? Her home isn't the Pentagon.
>
>Really improbable?  Now how do you figure Elek obtained a copy of a
>private e-mail then to which he was not a party?
>
>Joe Pannon

Are you really asking, or just keeping us in suspense? Sorry for blowing the 
cover: you hack into the SERVER, not the home mashine which usually only used
as a terminal. (OK, not usually, but quite often.)
GK

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In article >,
Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>Enike >Anna Smith Wrote:
>|So now I get dragged into this shit?
>
>Listen honeybuns, you weren't dragged in. As I recall you willingly stepped
>into it by answering Gabor Barsai"s moose mating call: Here chick, chick
>chick chick, here chick chick chick.

Mating call? I just asked if there were any chicks reading the ng, since there
was too much name-calling going on, and I thought I may lighten up the
discussions. Whatever you read into it is up to you. I wasn't aware of the fact
that you use it to mate with moose. (So tell us, what's it like, eh?)

BTW, I'm sure Ms. Bali is offended that you equate chicks (ie. cute women with 
a personality) with moose.

I think the misunderstanding comes from the fact that Ms. Bali equated chicks
with fluff-chicks (ie. like the women on the popular show "Crotchwatch").

Gabor (ooooooooooopps, I mean Goober)
aka. Bird Jaguar, Lord of the Mayas at Yaxchilan

Where did I first read the name of Andras Pellionisz? On the cover of a record
with music by Terenyi Ede - "Vivaldiana/The Gallant Dances"? On the cover of a
record featuring old music thesaurus from the medieval ages at Alba Iulia - or
Gyulafehervar or how you call it in Hungarian? Can you help me? Thank you!

Eddie

In article >,  > wrote:
| Istvan Szucs > wrote:
| >
| >I have seen NO evidence however (not even circumstantial)
| >that Elek Gabor would have been the hacker. He merely
| >published it. If I now go ahead and republish it would that
| >mean that I hacked?
| 
| As I mentioned in my earlier post, I, too, didn't think that Elek
| committed the break-in himself.  However, he proved himself to posess
| stolen property and as such he is a "fencer".  I think he could be held
| liable from that angle, if not for a proven break-in.

Geez. than I am guilty too, if I read the letter on
soc.culture.magyar and saved a copy of it.


| >Furthermore the account of what happened  according to Ms
| >Stolmar seems improbable as well. If the computer was indeed
| >a computer connected through a modem and used periodically
| >to access a University system than it does sound improbable
| >that that system would have been  hacked into. 
| 
| This is pretty silly premis in the first place.  I don't know where do
| you (and others) get the idea, that the break-in had to be to a home PC
| through the modem.

Check the original claim of Ms Stolmar with the description
of what she claims happened.

  To me, at least, the default assumption is that
| anybody using his home PC to dial into the Internet does it through his
| or her account on a host node on the Internet, using the PC only as a
| dummy terminal emulator.  So the account is NOT on the PC, but on a
| university (or commercial) computer!  That's where the break-in must
| have happened.

That would be more plausible but is inconsistant with Ms
Stolmar's claims.

| 
| >What eis ven more troublesome for me than Ilona Stolmar
| >publicly and openly accusing Gabr Elek without evidence is -
| 
| What other evidence do you need than his bragging about it himself?
| You really don't think that Ilona CC'd a copy to him, do
you?

No, but that leves various possibilities open.

| If you knew Elek from the Internet as long as I have, you knew him as a
| pathalogical bragger about some special information, not normally known
| to even the knowledgeable audience on the HIX FORUM. This was just
| another of those braggings, which, however, went just a
bit too far.

Check his claims. Maynbe it's my mistake but I don't
remember reading that he admitted to have hacked Ms
Stolmar's computer. 
| 
| >and this has unfortunately become common practive - washing
| >together unrelated events. She doesn't make any open
| >statements to link Jews to the church break-ins, but she
| >implicitly connects them. The same approach is used by
| 
| Oh, I see the tactics developing here: "let's talk about some side
| issue, right?"  If the tactics worked in saving the hide of the former
| communist elite in Hungary, it just might work here, too."

What makes it a side issue? I think the fact that some are
making a discussion impossible because of those methods I
outlined is not just not a side issue but it is a great part
of what is wrong here. Just observe your own paragraph
above. How is it relevant what method a commuinst elite used
in saving the hide (whatever that means). Do you claim that
I am realted to them in any way? If so please say taht and
we can talk about it. If you don;'t claim that then what
relevance does what method the communist elite used in the
iscussion at hand?

Istvan

 wrote:

>Well, how did Romania got Transylvania in the first place? Through great
>power intervention.  That cannot be excluded in the future, working in
>the opposite direction.  Now we are not talking about its likelyhood,
>just the possibility.  After all, who would have predicted the fall of
>the Soviet empire just 3 years before it happened?
>
>Well, so much for rattling your cage ...
>
>Panonescu

There are three times as many potential Coke drinkers
in Romania than in Hungary.

Dream on.

Gigel

HVG 1996/14  04.06.  49-50.

RIBA ISTVAN
Valaszol Marko Bela, az RMDSZ elnoke
Formalis alapszerzodesnek
  semmi ertelme"

A magyar-roman alapszerzodes legfontosabb feltetelenek tekinti Marko Bela
(45 eves), a Romaniai Magyar Demokrata Szovetseg (RMDSZ) elnoke, hogy az
elvezze az erdelyi magyarsag egyeterteset. Az erdelyi politikus, aki
tagadja, hogy az RMDSZ partnerul ajanlkozott a roman kormanypartnak,
allando feszultsegforrasnak tartja, hogy az altala vezetett szervezet
egyszerre mukodik parlamenti partkent es az egesz romaniai magyarsag
erdekvedelmi tomorulesekent.  HVG: Ont hosszu ideig ugy tartottak szamon,
mint aki kiegyensulyozo szerepet tolt be az RMDSZ radikalis es mersekelt
politikusai kozott. Az utobbi egy evben viszont tobbszor is vitaba
keveredett a radikalis oldallal. Ez azt jelenti, hogy felborult a
szervezeten beluli kenyes egyensuly? M. B.: Tobb ideologiai alapon
szervezodo platform is jelen van az RMDSZ-ben, de a romaniai magyarsag
ugyeiben elfoglalt allaspontok kevesbe ideologiaiak, inkabb a szervezet
erdekvedelmi celjaihoz kapcsolodnak. Ketsegtelen, hogy az en centrumbeli
helyzetem kevesbe szilard, ha peldaul olyan eroteljes egyenisegnek, mint a
szervezet tiszteletbeli elnokenek a megszolalasaiban platformrokonszenv
erzekelheto. Nem fogadhatom el egyebkent a radikalis es a mersekelt
jelzoket, es nem azert, mert Erdelyben a radikalishoz pozitiv, a
mersekelthez pedig negativ kepzet tarsul, hanem mert szerintem nem lehet
eleve eldonteni, hogy radikalisabban vagy mersekeltebben kell-e
politizalni; mindig az adott alkalomtol fugg, melyik az indokolt. Mivel
strategiai celjainkat tekintve alapveto egyetertes van az RMDSZ-en belul,
a mostani vitak arrol folynak, hogyan lehet ezekhez a celokhoz eljutni. 
HVG: Mindenesetre nem kis vihart kavart az utobbi hetekben az is, hogy
Szocs Geza, volt RMDSZ-fotitkar az ellene folyo penzugyi vizsgalat kapcsan
kijelentette: on politikailag meg akarja semmisiteni. Mik a vadak vele
szemben? Megerositi Tabajdi Csabanak, a kisebbsegi ugyekert felelos
politikai allamtitkarnak azt az allitasat, hogy csak hab a tortan" Szocs
alapitvanyi penzekkel valo problemaja? Vagyis Szocsnek gondja lehet mas
forrasokbol szarmazo osszegek elszamolasaval is? M. B.: Nem politikai
kerdesrol van szo, bar egyesek szeretnek erre a sikra terelni az ugyet, es
minel nagyobb port kavarni korulotte. En mindvegig tisztazatlan
adomanyokrol, rendezetlen penzugyekrol beszeltem. Az RMDSZ kidolgozta az
ugy kezelesi modjat: ellenorzo bizottsagunk fogja kivizsgalni, mi tortent,
es megfogalmazza a konkluziokat. A Tabajdi Csaba altal mondottakhoz
annyit, hogy nekunk csak egyes kerdesekbe van betekintesi lehetosegunk,
altalanos kepunk meg mindig nincs ezekrol az ugyekrol. HVG: Szocs Geza a
Fidesz-MPP javaslatara a Hungaria TV Kozalapitvany felugyelobizottsagaba
kerult. A Fidesz Tokes Laszloval elore egyeztette a donteset, mig mas
RMDSZ-vezetokkel nem. On ezt biralta, emiatt a Fidesz es Tokes Laszlo
azzal vadolta ont, hogy felelotlen, es kart okoz a magyar belpolitikai
eletben, illetve a romaniai magyarsag koreben. Miben is all a vita Szocs
korul? M. B.: Nem kellett volna nyilvanos vitanak lennie abbol, hogy en
levelben jeleztem egyet nem ertesemet a jelolessel es annak modszerevel. A
Fidesszel azota egyeztettunk, Szocs Geza szemelye miatt a
velemenykulonbsegunk fennmaradt, de nem szabad, hogy viszonyunkat mindez
megzavarja. A Tokes puspok urral valo megbeszelesunk soran kiderult, hogy
vele a Fidesz nem mint az RMDSZ tiszeletbeli elnokevel, hanem mint
szemelyiseggel egyeztetett. Az eset arra is jo volt, hogy felhivta a
magyarorszagi partok figyelmet, bizonyos esetekben konzultaciora tartunk
igenyt. HVG: Az RMDSZ szamos kulonbozo szervezet szovetsege, az erdelyi
magyarsag egeszenek erdekvedelmi tomorulese, ugyanakkor politikai
szervezetkent is fellep. Hogyan lehet osszeegyeztetni e kulonbozo
funkciokat? M. B.: Ez termeszetesen allando feszultsegforras, a belole
adodo konfliktusokat meg sokaig nehez lesz feloldani. A szukseg hozta ugy,
hogy a magyarsag erdekervenyesitesenek erositesere kell egy szervezet,
amely konszenzusra juttatja a kulonbozo elkepzeleseket, majd azt kifele
kepviseli. Ugyanakkor a parlamentben partkent kell viselkednunk, holott
ideologiankat nem tudjuk, nem is tudhatjuk partkent meghatarozni, hiszen
az RMDSZ az egesz erdelyi magyar tarsadalmat lefedo kisebbsegi szervezet.
HVG: Felepitese sem hasonlit egy partehoz, hiszen peldaul vezeto
testuleteben, a Szovetsegi Kepviselok Tanacsaban (az SZKT-ban) kulonbozo
partok, platformok es ifjusagi szervezetek delegaltjai vannak. Ugy tudni,
hogy a belso eroviszonyok tisztazasara mar regota tervezik a romaniai
magyarsagon beluli valasztasok megtartasat. Mikor esedekes ez, es mi a
tetje? M. B.: Valoban, eleg regota huzodik a belso valasztas ugye,
raadasul ugy latom, a tavaszi helyhatosagi es az oszi parlamenti
valasztasok miatt az iden nem biztos, hogy lesz idonk megtartani. Vita
folyt arrol, milyen forrasbol allitsuk ossze a romaniai magyarok
nevjegyzeket, vegul ugy dontottunk, hogy az RMDSZ felmillios tagsaga lesz
a valasztoi nevjegyzek alapja. A cel kozvetlen valasztassal megalakitani
az SZKT-t, amely igy elveszitene korporativ jelleget. A valasztason egyeni
jeloltek es platformok indulhatnak, igy tisztabb kepunk lesz az erdelyi
magyarsag ideologiai hovatartozasarol is. HVG: Az RMDSZ januarban
politikai nyilatkozatot tett kozze, melyet most, a valasztas eveben
Bukarestben felajanlkozaskent ertelmeztek a kormanykoalicioban valo
reszvetelre. Volt alapja ennek az interpretacionak? Egyaltalan, milyen az
RMDSZ viszonya a romaniai partokhoz? M. B.: A nyilatkozat nem tartalmazott
felajanlkozast, de a romaniai politikai partoknak szolo uzenetet igen.
Hajlandosagunkat fejeztuk ki ugyanis szovetsegre abban az esetben, ha
szamunkra is megfelelo programmal talalkozunk. Az onkormanyzati
valasztasokra kialakitott allaspontunk szerint harom szelsoseges parttal
kizarjuk a helyi egyuttmukodes lehetoseget is, de az Iliescu-fele
kormanyparttal es az ellenzeki partokkal nem. Persze tovabbra is jelentos
kulonbsegek vannak a nacionalista elemekkel atitatott kormanypart es az
ellenzek kozott, tehat ezt is tekintetbe vesszuk. Kulonbozo roman partok
mar tobb helysegben megkerestek az RMDSZ-t a helyi egyuttmukodes
remenyeben, es nehol van is ra esely. Altalanos egyuttmukodesre azonban
egyik parttal sem latok lehetoseget. 1994-ig vallalt tagsagunk a
Demokratikus Konvencioban sajnos sohasem vezetett oda, hogy minden
jelentos, koncepcionalis kerdesben egyetertesre jussunk az ellenzeki
partokkal. Kisebb reszletkerdesekben, az anyanyelvi oktatasban, illetve a
nyelvhasznalatban sikerult kozeliteni allaspontjainkat. Partjaink kozott
egyes kerdesekben ma is folynak egyeztetesek, de az ellenzeki partok
lathatoan igyekeznek szabadulni a magyarbaratsag" vadjatol. HVG: Roman
oldalrol nem hallani egyeterto velemenyt az RMDSZ altal szorgalmazott
autonomiaformak egyikerol sem, tehat sem az ugynevezett szemelyi elvu, sem
a helyi onkormanyzati, meg kevesbe a teruleti autonomiakrol. Sot, az
autonomiahoz valo viszony magan az RMDSZ-en belul is az egyik fo
toresvonal. A januari SZKT-ulesen csak a szemelyi elvu autonomia reszletes
koncepciojanak kidolgozasarol dontottek. Lemondtak tehat a teruleti
autonomiarol?  M. B.: Az autonomia kerdeseben sokfele konfliktus adodott
az RMDSZ-en belul, ezert csak lassan lehetett konszenzusra jutni, de ma
mar nincsen igazi toresvonal. Ha csak politikai part lennenk, nem tartott
volna hat evig a reszletes koncepcio elkeszitese, de egy ilyen pluralis
szervezetben, mint az RMDSZ, sokkal hosszadalmasabb az egyeztetes. Arrol
nem is beszelve, hogy mas az autonomiahoz valo viszonya az egy tombben,
mint a szorvanyban elo magyarsagnak. A nyugat-europaiak szeretnek
meghatarozni, milyen norma- es kriteriumrendszerben gondolkozzunk, de a mi
allaspontunk az, hogy az altalanosan elfogadott europai normak csak a
minimumot jelentik. Vannak olyan europai megoldasok az autonomia
tekinteteben, mint az olaszorszagi del-tiroli vagy a spanyolorszagi
katalan autonomia, amelyekre mi hivatkozunk, amikor
autonomiaelkepzeleseinket akarjuk a nyugat-europai szervezetekkel
elfogadtatni. A kedvenc roman pelda, a francia megoldas viszont szamunkra
elfogadhatatlan, mert az a nemzetallami modell tipikus esete. HVG: A mult
heten a pozsonyi parlament ratifikalta a magyar-szlovak alapszerzodest, de
olyan magyarazatot fuzott hozza, amellyel erzekelteti: a magyarok
helyzeteben az semmi pozitiv valtozast nem hoz. Ennek fenyeben mit var a
jelenleg is folyo targyalasoktol a magyar-roman alapszerzodes ugyeben? M.
B.: A magyar-szlovak alapszerzodes tortenetebol mindenkinek le kell vonnia
bizonyos tanulsagokat. A roman kormany reszerol optimista nyilatkozatok
lattak napvilagot a kozeli alairasrol, mikozben a parlamentben olyan
torvenyeket fogadnak el, amelyek meg eddigi jogainkbol is visszavesznek.
Nem latom jelenleg, mi kesztetne arra a magyar kormanyt, hogy olyan
alapszerzodest kosson, amely semmifele eszkozt nem nyujt a romaniai
magyarsag helyzetenek rendezesere. Formalis alapszerzodesnek semmi
ertelme. Hamis indoklasnak latszana annak a deklaralasa az alapszerzodes
reven, hogy a ket orszag viszonya rendben van, a gondokat pedig majd menet
kozben megoldjuk. A szerzodesnek, eloszor is, elveznie kell az erdelyi
magyarsag egyeterteset. Tovabba latni szeretnenk benne az autonomia
elismereset, legalabb az Europa Tanacs 1201-es ajanlasanak megfeleloen.
Konkret megoldasoknak is szerepelniuk kellene az alapszerzodesben, mint az
anyanyelvi oktatasi halozat teljes kiepitese, a nyelvhasznalat lehetosege
a kozintezmenyekben, az igazsagszolgaltatasban is, vagy peldaul az egyhazi
javak visszaadasa. Termeszetesen a szerzodes nyujtson kello garanciakat
mindezek megvalosulasahoz.

Dear Joe,

The original point of Ms. Stolmar's posting was two fold. While she did
speak about a break in, she also (in her disorganized fashion) took this
opportunity to make derogatory statements about Hungarian jews. In her
posting the two points are
inseparable.

Regards,
ME

Balogh Eva a konfuz identitas bajnoka, valoszinuleg
a Nagy Filizofust, Konfuziuszt tartja peldakepenek.

Nem, az igazi nev nem "Konfuciusz", mint ahogy szelso-
jobboldali nacionalista kinaiak nevezik Nagy Filozofusukat.
Benne van az Orszagban (es persze a HVG-ben), hogy
kulturak "multikulturava" valo osszekutyulasa valamilyen
profetat kovetel - Konfuziusz erre a legalkalmasabb.

Mozes nem jo - tulsagosan elkotelezte magat az SZDSZ
mellett. Marx "Kemeny mag" Karoly is lejaratta magat
valami elmelettel ami "nem jott be". Legyen hat Konfuziusz,
mindjart van egy tobb mint egymilliardos "captive audience"!
A kommunizmusban is az egyik legsulyosabb erv volt (ennek
hithu gyermekekent nevelkedett az ifju Balogh), hogy
"Kina velunk van".

Bar Balogh (eredeti neve Balga) Eva sajat bevallasa szerint
tokeletesen beszopta a Marxizmus metelyet, 1956 valodi
Konfuzionista alapelmenyeve valt. Nehez volt nem valni
Konfuzionistava, amikor szovjet kommunistak viseltek
haborut magyar kommunistak ellen (is), majd magyarul
torve beszelo magyar kommunista (Kadarjano) akasztotta
magyarul kivaloan beszelo, am szovjet katonatiszt kommunista
elftarsat (Nagy Imre), miutan (persze aljas hitszegessel)
kicsalogattak oket annak jugoszlav kommunistak kovetsegerol,
akit a szovjet kommunistak csak "Lancos Kutyanak"
neveztek, mig magyar kommunistak rehabilitaltak azt az
altaluk meggyilkolt magyar kommunistat (Rajk) aki (talan)
kemkedett Lancoskutya (Tito) elftars szamara, am kivegezte
ot annak a magyar kommunistanak a rendszere (Farkas) aki
belevizelt magyar kommunista elftarsa (Kadar) szajaba.
Minekutana identitasnelkuli zabigyerek Kadarjano (Csermanek)
a magyar kommunista identitasnak colopoket rendszeresitett
(munkasorseg) azon magyar kommunista elftarsakbol akiknek
szinten fele sem volt magyar (Horn) am maskepp tortek
a magyar nyelvet (es emberek fogsorait) mint Kadarjano,
deviszont Gyuszika testvere veletlenul kivegzodott 1956-ben,
avoval valo osszeteveszthetosegre rautalo magatartas mian,
ami nem kedvez amugy is Napoleon-szindromaban szenvedo
alkoholista prolik bosszuvagyanak.

Valoban kicsit Konfuz a tortenet. Am igaz. Nem csoda, hogy
Balga Szabad Vilagra kerulven eloszor  is a Marxizmus
tanulmanyozasara vetette ra magat, eredetiben, hatha csak
valami sajtohiba csuszott Marx (SZDSZ) Karoly Osszes
Balgasagai magyar (?) forditasaba.  Miutan magyarorszagi
szarmazasaba sajat (onkent dalolt) bevallasa szerint magyar
csak elvetve csuszott, talan csak "belesodrodtak" Baloghba,
mint az otvenhatos fiatalsag a Sajnalatos Esemenyekbe, Balga
Evinek nem kerult nagy megrazkodtatasba kanadaiva vedleni.
Ott viszont megszedult az imperialista ideolgiatol es atmenetileg
(HVG kesei megjeleneseig) ejtette a Marxizmus tanulmanyozasat.

USA Konfuzionista Liberalisoknak viszont szukseguk tamadt
keleteuropaiul jol beszelo tortenelemhamisitokra, igy Brain (?)
Drainbol kifolyolag ismeg haza't valtoztatott (bar valtoztatni
csak azt lehet ami megvolt) es allampolgarsagnelkuli USA-
de inkabb kanadai- de persze az sem hanem magyar, de
persze az legkevesbe sem - lakossagga konfuzionalt.

A kor (pun intended) bezarult azzal, hogy kislanysaganak
kesei (faradtrozsaszin) korszakaban Marx (SZDSZ) Karoly
tanaiban valo elmelyules helyett Balga Evi az SZDSZ (HVG)
Exmarxistak Internetbe kihelyezett agitproposava berlodott fel.

Itt olyan nehezebbnel nehezebb, majdhogy "kihivas" jellegu
partfeladatai akadtak, mint Bokros (eredeti neven Burundi)
Lajos valogatott hazaarulasainak nepszerusitese, Kun Bela
Trianonban valo szerepenek akar tortenelemgyalazas altali
tisztara mosasa, es -legujabban- a Zsido Husvet szertartasanak
tudomanyos kidolgozasa, amellyel bizonyara hamarosan
elkerulheto lesz hogy partfunkciknak Mercedessel kelljen
belehajtani az (egyelore, kispolgari csovekenykent) meg
mindig Kereszteny Kormenetbe, vagy hogy bohocokat kelljen
szerzodtetni akik a Golgotan elhelyezett Cirkuszi satorban
Nagypentek alkalomhoz illo vidamsagarol gondoskodnak
szeretettel.

Zsido Husvet a Multikultura Nagy Unnepe. Multikulturalis
Keleteuropaiak (formerly "magyar" benszulott torzs, azsiai,
sajnalatos modon gerinces allatfaj) "vidamsagunnepelyevel"
kezdodik, legnagyobb hahota es tivornya ekkor kotelezo
(asatasok szerint korabban "Nagypentek" neven volt
ismeretes). Zsido Husvet ugyan tobbnapos unnep, de
a Penteki Nagy Hahota csak amolyan bevezetes, az igazi
unnepnap Szombat.  Ekkor, a Zsido Husvet ahitatanak
megfeleloen csakis izraeli cegek tulajdonaban levo
szupermarketekbol Koser Sertessonkat kell vasarolni
(nyiregyhazai a legjobb!). Koser Vereshurka szinten eheto,
jo tejfolosen kell elkesziteni (de vigyazzunk, ne vagjuk
a koser tejfolos husveti vereshurkat a tejes kessel!)

A Zsido Husvet unnepi vacsoraja elott (koser) gyertya
gyujtando, hogy a csaladi tuzfeszek melege biztositva legyen.
A csalad legidosebbjei (akik meg lattak Lenint) ezutan
rovidebb hozzaszolasban azokrol a nehez idokrol illo
hogy megemlekezzenek, amikor meg nem volt SZDSZ
es igy kommunista illegalitasban kellett maskent gondolkodni.
Ezutan a csalad legfiatalabb tagja a HVG-bol olvas fel
reszleteket, kisse hadarva, nehogy a koserteshus elhuljon.
Taplalkozas utan Konrad (korabban Konfuzius) Gyorgy,
Petri (Mariatomo) Gyorgy  es Esterhazy (Magyargondozo)
Peter keleteuropai nyelven irott fobb Kossuth dijas
magyarsag- es keresztenysegellenes muveivel melengetik
lelkuket a bensoseges unnepely resztvevoi.

Zsido Husvetkor az SZDSZ-parttagkonyvvel rendelkezok
kormenetet is tarthatnak a parthaz korul. Majd a liberalizmus
(korabban ld. "erkolcstelenseg") dicsosegere a Rakoczi tertol
a Jozsef utca kurvaturajan keresztul a Kozepeuropai Egyetem
"szeresd a massagot" feliratu zaszlai alatt a Danko utcaba
vonulnak, ahol is a buzi ciganyok Massagunnepelye
pompazatossaganak fenyet emelik.

Zsido Husvet (a szerencsere mar kisebbsegbe szorult amde
meg kiirtatlan) bennszulott oslakossag primitiv szokasaira
valo elnezo magatartas jegyeben vasarnapra is begyuruzik,
bar ez fokepp a masnapossag kiheveresere van rendszeresitve
az uj (modernizalt) unnepi liturgia szerint. Katolikus
templomrablasokra, kehelybekopesre ez a nap kevesbe javallhato,
mivel a barbar oslakossag valamilyen gyoker (torma?) ragas
primitiv ritusa miatt ezekben a napokban vegletes atrocitasokra
is hajlamos, sot elvakultsagaban meg eros szavakat is hasznalhat.
(Feljegyeztek, hogy a Zsido Husvet kozeledtevel, Kun Bela nap
tajan -formerly "marcius idusa"- a bennszulottek szelsojobbra
huzodnak, es fergekkel etetik dogkeselyuiket, mely barbar
szertartas liberalisan felvilagosult tortenelembuvarok szerint
a terseg legregebbi -dakoroman- multikulturalis hagyomanyaira
vezetheto vissza).

A Tavaszi Gay Multikulturalis napok (korabban a "Zsido
Husvetot" hivtak igy) lezarasakor, hetfon az osi "locsolo-
unnepsegek" jegyeben (nemhivatalos, de oromszerzo) oltar-
levizelessel fejezodik be, melyet minden mas ferfi leggyuloltebb
templomaban gyakorolhat, esetleg -amennyiben tevedesbol meg
mindig heteroszekszualis- nonemueket is celbavehet. Kedves
szokassa valt, hogy a Tavaszi Gay Multikulturalis napok e
vidam unnepsegsorozatan minden TGM monogramu szemely
(nev nincs is ellenorizve!) szabadon gyalazhatja a (a) magyarokat
(b) keresztenyeket (c) magyar keresztenyeket (minden nem
kivant torlendo).

Fenti "Zsido Husvet" es hasonlo zagyvalek-cimszavak alatt (is)
maris lathatoan mukodesbe leptetett  multikulturalis egyveleg
bizonyara nem teljes - ugy hirlik Balogh Eva encyclopedikus
tanulmanyanak megjelenese a multikultura dicsoitesere meg
varat magara. A valoban vaskos mu egy nemregiben inditott
dicso sorozat legujabb kotete lesz. Demszky mar az elso konyv
megjelenesekor bejelentette, hogy a sorozatindito
("Zsido Budapest") utan hamarosan uj olvasnivaloval
orvendezteti meg a Keleteuropai Koztarsasag Fovarosanak
koltsegvetese a terseg vadonatuj "liberalis embertipus"
lakossagat.