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1 Re: daughter names and millenium names (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
2 Fax letter to Michal Kovac!!! (mind)  116 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: daughter names and millenium names (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)
4 1880s map of Hungary (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: 1880s map of Hungary (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: daughter names and millenium names (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, MR MICHAEL C MITSCH wrote:
>
> CAN ANYONE PLEASE ADD ANY NOTEWORTHY HUNGARIAN WOMEN TO THESE???
> Any favorites or non-faves among these?
..
>
> Im also interested in Notewothy Hungarians in the years   896 and 1896
> since our "Kis Baba" will be starting out in Hungary's 3rd millenium.

Here are two of my favorites:

Sarolta, Sarolt (Charlotte, Caroline)
     - The mother of the first king of Hungary, she lived 1000 years ago.
     - Zalatnay, a popular pop singer in Hungary (since the 70s).

Ro'za, Ro'zsa, Roza'lia (Rose)
     - Sze'ppataki De'ry (1793 - 1872), the first star of the Hungarian
       theatre, inmortalized by a beutiful porcelain figurine by the word
       famous Herendi factory.

Bozoki Barna
+ - Fax letter to Michal Kovac!!! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Szia haverok,

 I've been urged by Liptak Bela to start a faxing campaign to give praise to
President Michal Kovac of the Slovak Republic for his speech to the public on
New Year's Day.

 Here's part of my post yesterday (1-4-96):
##################################
Something that strikes me as interesting is the OMRI report on the Slovak
president's address on New Year's Day. He "called on the coalition to be
tolerant of its critics". He said,"Suppressing critics, calling them traitors
or enemies, is considered the first step to a totalitarian regime". Kovac
called 1995 a "year of political retaliation".

Well, folks, it seems that Kovac (is it possible that he has some Magyar in
him, with that name?) is pretty sympathetic to the situation at hand.
Considering the fact that we (those of us who weren't chicken shit) bombarded
his fax machine with pleas not to sign that ridiculous language law, it's seems
that he's maybe starting to see things in a more realistic light and not in
this pompous jack-ass "get over it" or "wait till we're in the EU" line of
thinking that many preach on this list. If 1995 was the year of "political
retaliation", as Michal Kovac put it, then 1996, hopefully, will be the year of
POLITICAL CHANGE. This can only be done so by each and everyone on this list
and anyone with enough common sense to see that this Meciar is not all that
he's cracked up to be and is certainly not someone we'd like to deal with.

So, basically, any kind of minority autonomy can only be established by the
concord of the majority, expressed by the Parliment's (whether it be Romania's
or Slovakia's) "for" vote of majoritarian deputies. It doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure out in Romania and in Slovakia the majority will is not for
Hungarian cultural, educational, spiritual, or territorial autonomy, as
expressed by the current language law.
#################################

 I've never done a fax campaign, but I'll give it a shot. Correct me, if needed
.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

To: The Honorable President of the Slovak Republic: Michal Kovac

Subject: New Year's Day speech.


Dear Mr. Kovac,

         I am (name,title, etc.) from (country). I am of Hungarian descent and
I am concerned about the well being of ethnic Hungarians and other minorities
in Slovakia. I'd, first, like to compliment you on your speech to the nation on
New Year's Day. You are certainly correct in saying that one should be tolerant
of one's critics and not consider them traitors and enemies of the state for it
is the first step towards a totalitarian regime. I couldn't agree more.

         I wish that line of thinking was there it came time to sign the new
language law, that former prime minister Jozef Moravcik or Jan Charnogursky
apparently did not sign. It is an unjust law not just for those ethnic
minorities, but for the Slovak population as well. If this law is totally
enforced, that can mean that it can also enfringe on the rights of Slovak
publications, as well. Not only is this law unjust, but it is direct conflict
with the Slovak Constitution. Under paragraph 34/2/b the Slovak Constitution
guarantees the right of the minorities to use their languages in all offical
and public communications.

         Mr. Kovac, it is essential that you reconsider your position on the
language law. An ideal solution lies in the evolution of a genuine
multi-national or un-national state, which citizenship is as separate from
nationality as it is from religion. It is doubtful that any solution can be
made to work unless it is accompanied by the development of democratic
governments, mutual tolerance and constitutional safeguards as well as judicial
and administrative practices which will place all citizens on a footing of
equality before the law, give them equal and civil political rights, and
thereby lay the foundation for harmonius cooperation with the State.

        Until that happens, Mr. Kovac, you can expect political pressure to
continue from those within Slovakia, neighboring countries, and everyday people
like me. Thank you, Mr. Kovac, for your time.

        Sincerely,


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So, is this good enough, folks!!
As I said before, make neccessary corrections. If you don't like it; tell me. I
won't bite. I promise.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Oh!! With regards to Hungary and their lack of members on HL. Knowing that
Hungary is not as fully equiped as those of us who live abroad. Couldn't we
ally ourselves with the Hungarian press?? Or just send the same greeting we got
from Gotthard Szabo, before we got on the HL-list, to universities in Hungary??
Especially, those who are e-mail ready?? Slovakia & Romania are waiting for
Hungary at the table to make "peace" so they can get in the EU. Unfortunately,
Slovakia got one step ahead of the Romanians and got Hungary, somehow, to sign
the bilateral agreement in April 1995. Then the language law passed and woke up
some Hungarian politicians. Now, it should be our duty to carpet bomb the
Parliment with e-mail urging them to hold their ground until there's a
guarantee that ethnic minorities will have freedoms. I'm not that proficient in
Hungarian to do such a thing, but many of you are.

For years, (I'm only 25, by the way) I've seen the Hungarian community
dissolve, especially here in the New Brunswick, NJ area. Many may argue with
me, but it is true. For years my father would say, "Jancsi, Hungarians can
never get together for anything!". I never understood it until a few years ago.
In New York there were 3 radio broadcasts on Sundays: Kalman Laszlo, Koreh
Ferenc, and Appatini Gyula. These radio shows always preached the wrong doing
that was going on in Romania and etc., but one host would sponser this event
the other something else and so on. They never really acknowledged each others
existence. That's why I joined this group. I hope we can consolidate many
Hungarian organizations together. We have a lot to learn from each other. I
hope we can prove my dad wrong. Sorry apukam.


Udv.,
Ifj. Czifra Jancsi
john_czifra @ shi.com
+ - Re: daughter names and millenium names (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Michael,
  Actually, my name isn't Hungarian at all, and neither am I, but I guess
you knew that.  I just happen to have experience living in and a strong
emotional attachment to Hungary.  For female names, how about Re'ka, which
is probably my favorite Hungarian name, and a beautiful one too.  Why do
you want to give your daughter a Hungarian anyway, just out of curiousity?
Sok szerencse't kivanok--Shannon Morris
+ - 1880s map of Hungary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I'm doing some family research and found that my grandmother was born in Maly

Gyres in 1886.  Can't seem to locate it.  We think it was in northern Hungary,

possibly part of Slovakia because her birth certificate is written in

Slovakian.  Does anyone know where I could get an 1880s map of Hungary?

Please email response to me at 

Thank you!

Marianne
+ - Re: 1880s map of Hungary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>
> I'm doing some family research and found that my grandmother was born in Maly
> Gyres in 1886.  Can't seem to locate it.  We think it was in northern Hungary
,
>
> possibly part of Slovakia because her birth certificate is written in
>
> Slovakian.  Does anyone know where I could get an 1880s map of Hungary?


        A very good 12 piece map /highly detailed/ of Nagy Magyarorszag
        was published by MH Toth Agoston Terkepeszeti Intezet in jan 1991,
        in hungary.

        I have no further information.  Perhaps somebody can pick up on
        this lead for you.

        Good luck!
        Misi

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