In article >, "Miklos K. Hoffmann"
> writes:

>P.S. I apologize for "German", but North American beer?
>No thank you. ( Maybe, exept for some new SMALL breweries.)
>If I would comment Bud or Michelob ( both light ) I would
>be sued...not for being wrong, but for telling the truth...
>( And, to be honest, having see and tasted a lot in the World,
>German beer is their best hightec product ( together with BMW,
>but BMW is Bavarian, not German ).
>
>

What do American beer and making love in a canoe have in common?
Sam Stowe

P.S. -- The States are a little more hospitable these days to beer lovers,
Miklos, thanks to the rise of the microbrewery. Now, anyone care to muse on why
Hungary is a wine country and not a beer
country?

"You see, one of my favorite
in-class demonstrations every
year was to dip live rabbits in
liquid nitrogen, then give them a
good whack on the countertop..."
-- Milkman Dan, sadistic former
high school science teacher

You know Georg Mikes famous motto? "Everybody is Hungarian"....

Agnes

> You mean that my
>> mother's threat "you will find out what I went through when you have
>> a son of your own" became true.
>
>Exactly this is whar I mean. Isn4t it interesting that exactly this
>was my mother4s thret, too? There must be a forgotten, archaic wisdom
>behind or - better and - end the working of higher justice behind. Juj,
>juj s ott leszen siras es fogak csikorgatasa...( still, I wouldn4t like
>to miss it...:-) )
>Miklos

And the same here - I have 2 daughters....

Agnes

At 03:28 PM 4/11/97 +0200, you wrote:

>Yes, I4d love to have a ( German! ) beer with Jekiko
>Miklos
>
>P.S. I apologize for "German", but North American beer?
>No thank you. ( Maybe, exept for some new SMALL breweries.)
>If I would comment Bud or Michelob ( both light ) I would
>be sued...not for being wrong, but for telling the truth...
>( And, to be honest, having see and tasted a lot in the World,
>German beer is their best hightec product ( together with BMW,
>but BMW is Bavarian, not German ).

Ja, my friend Gyuri from Munchen INSISTS that I understand that
that's Bavaria, and NOT Germany proper. Oh, well...

Amazing how one' original taste development stays so long
with him/her.....

I have been here since adolescence, yet I still can't stand
American beer. Even the microbreweries don't make it for
me. Although I am not much of a beer drinker (but DO love
Egri Bikaver, Badacsonyi Szurkebarat, and, of course,
Tokaji Aszu - 5 puttonos with dessert) I will, occasionally
partake in some Pilsner Urquell from Czehia. About
the only one I tolerate. Consumer Reports rated it almost the
worst. Just shows you...de gustibus....

I also wonder how come Hungarians don't make a decent beer?

Bandi

On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Denes BOGSANYI wrote:

> We should also include the St Elizabeth Home, Nursing Home and
> Retirement Village at Blacktown near Sydney Australia which was opened in
> 1966 and has grown to include 18 retirement units, a Retirement Home of 50
> rooms with communal kitchen facilities and a 40 bed Nursing Home. Also on
> the site is a museum of Hungarian art, mainly, but not exclusively of wood
> carvings and a sizeable Hungarian library.
> There are similar establishments in Melbourne and Adelaide.
>

I agree, these are important part of the Hungarian diaspora. Joe Szalay
does not think so. He thinks, old folks don't count, they soon will die, so
what is the point worrying about them. He would rather look at schools and
nurseries.

Unfortunately there are no Hungarian schools in North America as far as I
know. There is one high school in Germany, but it is struggling to get
enough students to justify its existence.

But the retirement communities are important centers for Hungarian
activities, and can provide an important base to retain the Hungarian
immigration history. When the current set of old folks die out, new ones
will take their place.

Last year I visited for a short time the Bethlen Home in Ligonier. It felt
like walking into a Transylvanian village. The small white-washed church,
the beautifully carved Seklers' Gate, abundance of flowers everywhere,
altogether gave such a friendly atmosphere.

I wanted to visit their library. It was closed, the librarian was away, but
one lady opened it up for me anyway any left me, a total stranger, there to
use it.  Unfortunately I did not have much time to stay, but I was very
impressed with what I saw. Rows and rows of old Hungarian-American
newspapers and magazines, neatly organized in boxes. A real treasure for
those who want to research immigration history.

Barna Bozoki

Aniko Dunford > wrote:
>You've no idea how privileged you really are.  During the entire time spent
>on this group, I have never been privy to witnessing the type of
>physically, aerobically demanding activities you speak of above...




0:-))
Maybe, if you take the bother and re-read this thread, and
you are familiar with the language/s it's written, then,
maybe then, you will get my point.
I being priviledged you are right (hence the Dominus ;-)o),
I am and proud of it, but never wanted to show off.
Basically I am a modest man.
God bless:
Dominus  0:-o))

the Kolozsvar/Cluj daily:

The Mayor's office of Marosvasarhely/Targu Mures (this is the town where in
1990 grave ethnic incidents took place) advertised several jobs in various
positions, and among the conditions for the job they included the
requirement of speaking Hungarian and another world language (in addition to
Romanian). The local "prefectura" (the regional government office,
controlled by the central government) protested the advertisement because
article 13 of the Romanian Constitution declares Romanian as the official
language. The prefectura threatens to take the Mayor's office to court if
the requirements for the other languages is not removed.

Gabor D. Farkas

Dear List!

Some times ago there was a lot of / some speculation on the
list about the popularity of Hungary4s joining the NATO in
Hungary.
In the April 9 number of the Magyar Nemzet ( Belpolitika )
there is a report about a Gallup survey on the issue.
Avarege           Military
Pro 47%           57% *mostly young officers, graduatad, w/t English
Con 26%           29% *mostly victims of "lean org"
??? 27%           14% *mostly NCOs

Take care!
Miklos

At 04:31 PM 4/12/97 -0400, Barna Bozoki wrote:

<snip>
>I agree, these are important part of the Hungarian diaspora. Joe Szalay
>does not think so. He thinks, old folks don't count, they soon will die, so
>what is the point worrying about them. He would rather look at schools and
>nurseries.

Oh, Barna,  that's not what I said, and it's certainly not what I meant.
What I said was, "as important as retirement communities are, they're
indicative of where we stand as a community".  My comment was a lament for
a community that I'm a part of.

Old folks are very much a part of our community.  In fact, I've always been
impressed by the care and love that we give our parents and senior
citizens.  For example, what other culture or language uses expressions
like "e'desanya'm" or "e'desapa'm" when referring to one's parents?  I
can't think of any.

My concern about Hungarian retirement communities in Hamilton, Montreal,
Toronto, and other larger cities is that they get lost in the city.
They're not culturally important because they don't have a major impact on
those cities.  In those cities they become just 'another ethnic retirement
community'.  And I'm not saying that they're not important for the people
who live there.  They're very important.  Perhaps, for some, it might be
their only contact with other Hungarians.

On the other hand, Hungarian retirement communities in small towns such as
Delhi, Tillsonburg, or Courtland Ontario, towns that have significant
Hungarian populations already, could actually have a cultural impact on
those places.  Why?  Well, for starters, being bilingual there would be an
asset.  If you spoke Hungarian in those areas, you'd have a better chance
of getting a job in the service sector.  It would give younger Hungarians a
'real' reason for holding on to their heritage language.

The problem is that I don't have the money or resources to build retirement
communities.  However, if I did, and if I was interested in building
Hungarian communities, I'd build in small towns.  You know, if you're a big
fish in a small town you have more power than if your a small fish in a big
city.

Joe Szalai